something occured to me reading this.

[Letum]

I think the new anti-terror laws are akin to thought crime.

The logic behind them is that it allows police to charge people even before they are guilty
of attempted murder or making an explosive device.
This is helpful to the police because they don't have to sit around and watch it all happen.

This is not helpful to anyone who has such information, but is not a terrorist.
It is also not helpful to someone who the police want to arrest for no good reason. Almost
Everyone will have some "information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism"
even if it is just a traffic report.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Letum

I think the new anti-terror laws are akin to thought crime.

The logic behind them is that it allows police to charge people even before they are guilty
of attempted murder or making an explosive device.
This is helpful to the police because they don't have to sit around and watch it all happen.

This is not helpful to anyone who has such information, but is not a terrorist.
It is also not helpful to someone who the police want to arrest for no good reason. Almost
Everyone will have some "information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism"
even if it is just a traffic report.

Good point, if we suffer a massive attack (I hope that day will never comes) the excuse will been given to the state to say good bye to democracy as we know it. They will sell it like mothers milk and the voter would gladly give the state the go ahead. There are to few in this country who can see we are walking on a tight rope every day of our life's.

[Letum]

Of course, the police don't even need to say that you have such material to imprison
you for 3 months under the terror laws.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Should they not be cracking down on providers of that publication?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Should they not be cracking down on providers of that publication?

How?

It's like trying to enforce the mobile phone law on drivers, the amount of drivers I have seen using there phone and driving at the same time..........

[SUBMAN1]

Hmm.. I read through that book as a kid. Friends and I treated it as a joke way back when. Does that make me or them a terrorists? I mean, that book is full of stupid stuff like making a box, filling it with 3 weeks old pee, and when it is opened, the razor blades spill the pee all over the victims desk. This is how pathetic that book actually is.

I mean, the book may be plain stupid, but it does have some plus sides - It has some good chemistry expriments in it, even though they may be potentially dangerous. I was a bit of a chemistry nut as a kid, so that holds interest to me in my mind. However, for the situation of the story, just having the book means nothing.

The point I am making is, the news is so worthless to watch now days since they fabricate stories, and make accusations based on nothing in an effort to get ratings where there would otherwise be none. A perfect example is this story. They are trying to lend credability to a story where there is actually little real credability by advocating that this was in this guys possesion so it must make him a terrorists. I find this even more pathetic than the book in question! Plain bad logic. This is why I read my news now days because I can skip over the BS.

-S

[Letum]

*WARNING - Reading the following may technically be illegal in the UK*

I remember making explosives and firearms as a boy.
Hours of fun.

One "cannon" could shoot a 2'' caliber block of hardwood through a 1/2'' wood plank.

It consisted of a steel tube blocked off at one end, some plant food explosive and
wooden "bullets".

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Letum

*WARNING - Reading the following may technically be illegal in the UK*

I remember making explosives and firearms as a boy.
Hours of fun.

One "cannon" could shoot a 2'' caliber block of hardwood through a 1/2'' wood plank.

It consisted of a steel tube blocked off at one end, some plant food explosive and
wooden "bullets".

Blast it now I have to hand myself in to the police for reading that.


November 5th coming up.
(Firework Night)

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

*WARNING - Reading the following may technically be illegal in the UK*

I remember making explosives and firearms as a boy.
Hours of fun.

One "cannon" could shoot a 2'' caliber block of hardwood through a 1/2'' wood plank.

It consisted of a steel tube blocked off at one end, some plant food explosive and
wooden "bullets".

Isn't everything illegal in the UK? Anyway, I gave up on chemistry as a kid when it became difficult to find the chemicals I needed. My biggest disappointment came when I was looking for 2 specific ingredients - Glycerin and Nitric Acid. I never could figure out why it was so hard to find nitric acid!!!??? Putting the two together is supposed to have a reaction that makes a cool blue flame - fire out of simple chemicals - sound cool? I thought so. Only later do I understand the term Nitroglycerin! Duh!!! As a kid, you are so ignorant sometimes! Anyway, computers came along and stole my interest from then on.

-S