Submarine versus sailboat

[Salty Longshanks]

:hmm: You be the judge

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2007...-sailboat.html

[Jimbuna]

No contest....I'd feel a lot safer on the sub

[Letum]

They should have nuked the sailing boat before it even got close.

but the navy has it's hands tied because that 'wouldn't be PC'.

Politicians should keep out of Navy business and them nuke stuff more.

For all we know there could have been a Muslim on that sail boat ffs!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Letum

They should have nuked the sailing boat before it even got close.

but the navy has it's hands tied because that 'wouldn't be PC'.

Politicians should keep out of Navy business and them nuke stuff more.

For all we know there could have been a Muslim on that sail boat ffs!

LMAO :rotfl:

[Penelope_Grey]

So not real...

[Etienne]

I don't have any problem believing it. At all.

Pleasure boaters are, quite often, dumb. Or entirely unaware of the colregs, which is essentially the same. (You wouldn't drive a car if you didn't know the rules of the road, would you?)

That guy probably went "Rule 18! Good visibillity, I'm under sail, he's power driven, STAND ON, BABY! WOO!" Never mind the NTM that say to stay clear of surfaced subs, or, you know, good seamanship and ****. A lot of sailboat people think that everybody should stay clear of sailboats... Including in the Detroit river, for exemple. I won't even start into why that's stupid.

But I don't have ANY problem believing it. Of course, in a court of law, the blame would probably rest with the submarine, (Unless they were in a narrow channel or fairway) but in a practical, day to day thing, the sailboat was extremely stupid.

It's big and it's steel. You're small and fiberglass. Keep away.

[Sailor Steve]

No, the sub captain did it on purpose! You know that all military types are EVIL! EVIL! EVIL!:rotfl:

[StdDev]

Isnt "right of way" assigned to the "less manoeverable" craft?
I would think that a sail boat is much more manoeverable...

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by StdDev

Isnt "right of way" assigned to the "less manoeverable" craft?
I would think that a sail boat is much more manoeverable...

Actually, no. It's kind of the spirit of Rule 18, but it's a lot more complex.

(Paraphrasing since I can't find my copy of the rules)
A power driven vessel shall keep out of the way of:
-A sailling vessel
-A vessel engaged in fishing
-A vessel restricted in her abillity to manoeuver
-A not under command vessel

Now, of course, if there's a narrow channel or fairway involved, then it's a whole different thing, since the sailboat is less than twenty meter in length.

[Bill Nichols]

When I was earning my 'Officer of the Deck Surfaced' quals, I was taught that submarines are considered 'deep-draft' vessels and therefore the following applies:

"Under Rule 9 of the International and Inland Rules of the Road, all vessels less than 20 meters (66 feet), vessels engaged in fishing and all sailboats cannot impede the passage of a vessel that can only operate safely in a narrow channel or fairway."

I remember conning my boat (USS Nautilus) into San Diego and the sailboats were always getting in our way. That inspired me to include bunches of suicidal sailboats in my Dangerous Waters scenario, "We Dive at Dawn".

[JALU3]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

my boat (USS Nautilus) into San Diego and the sailboats were always getting in our way. That inspired me to include bunches of suicidal sailboats in my Dangerous Waters scenario, "We Dive at Dawn".

Although I was in the Army myself, and never stationed in San Diego, it must be hell for the boats out of the Point going through that relatively narrow channel out of the harbor and past the point. You have the break to the east, and the Point to the west . . . and all those pleasure boats, and fishing boats . . . I am suprised there hasn't been any major collisions recently. And from my understanding more SSNs will be homeported out of Point Loma . . . that will only increase the traffic.