A bad day at Circuit City

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

If you were shoplifting, would you really carry the stolen things in a shopping bag?

YES! That is just where I would carry it!
Think about it!

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I always thought that the authorities (which, I do believe the Circuit City employee is not a member of) needed a warrant to search your belongings. You cant expect your mortgage provider to come around and demand to look through your house.

In the UK you need a warrent to search a house (with the exception of some police branches).
However you do not need a warrent or a reason for a body/baggage search.

Of course, that is the case for the police only and not shop staff.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

In the UK you need a warrent to search a house (with the exception of some police branches).
However you do not need a warrent or a reason for a body/baggage search.

Of course, that is the case for the police only and not shop staff.

Same here. If you don't let the shop search you, then they may be a little harsher on whether or not to press charges as you wait for the police to get there. They still can't hold you or stop you unless they have reason to do so.

I have a friend that works for a large retailer that is intimate with the procedures - hence why I know a thing or two about it. If you've heard some of the crazy stories I have about thieves stealing merchandise in store, and then going up to the counter immediately demanding a refund without ever leaving the store - its crazy and the thiefs are both crazy and bold about it too! The store mentality is that they build a rap sheet on each one of them before going in for the take down since shoplifters never only shoplift once. That way there is no wiggle room for the thief to get out of it - they basically ignore them the first few times around before they have overwhelming evidence to prosecute them. The other mentality is that the store (this is a higher end store I am talking about) would rather not upset its customers and allow a theft than to cause a scene for its customers. The idea is keep things pleasant until something must be done. Anyway, there are very strict rules they must follow to avoid a lawsuit from the perpetraitor. Getting sued because of lack of evidence can hit you hard from more ways than one.

-S

[Letum]

The only shop in my village lives in a world of innocence compared to that.

It sells vegetables, newspapers and the like, but has no members of staff.
You just take what you want, weigh the vegetables then leave your money in a bowl
and take your change out of it.

There isn't so much as a security camera!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

The only shop in my village lives in a world of innocence compared to that.

It sells vegetables, newspapers and the like, but has no members of staff.
You just take what you want, weigh the vegetables then leave your money in a bowl
and take your change out of it.

There isn't so much as a security camera!

That sounds like a Utopia to me if I ever heard of one. I value honesty and integrety and honor above all else, and that place sounds like it still has it.

-S

PS. Have we created are own problem though? I'll elaborate further in a bit.

[sunvalleyslim]

just another citizen wanting to make waves. For every action there is a reaction. Sometimes right, some times wrong.........Just like Taser Boy.....the guy is looking for a reaction..............I suppose most people would just comply to make life a little easier for themselves. My take, If I haven't done anything wrong, what do I have to worry about...........you want to look, go ahead. I have more important things to do with my time here on earth..........:hmm:

[Letum]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

just another citizen wanting to make waves. For every action there is a reaction. Sometimes right, some times wrong.........Just like Taser Boy.....the guy is looking for a reaction..............I suppose most people would just comply to make life a little easier for themselves. My take, If I haven't done anything wrong, what do I have to worry about...........you want to look, go ahead. I have more important things to do with my time here on earth..........:hmm:

You can see why that could be a dangerous attitude to take right?

[sunvalleyslim]

Originally Posted by Letum

You can see why that could be a dangerous attitude to take right?

Letum,
So much in life has been said that we must stop authority from entering our lives. Remember the bumper sticker "Question Authority" We have all been told for so long that we need to curb anything that takes a way our liberty. And rightfully so. I believe that all men and women should live in liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However due to evil persons in our lives, we have to live by rules. Rules were not made for good people, they were made for evil people. If everyone was good, there would be no laws whatsoever. But we live with evil, which is forced on good people. And for some reason when rules or laws are applied good people are made to feel that something is taken away from them. That they shouldn't be subjected to those rules. Which I agree, they shouldn't. But in order to control evil some things have to be taken from good people. Such as Homeland Security after 9/11.
Now in no way do I say that this was a lawful detention or search of Circuit City Guy, but I don't see this as leading to future abuse. As Avon Lady said, If you don't like the rules, don't shop there...............

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

just another citizen wanting to make waves. For every action there is a reaction. Sometimes right, some times wrong.........Just like Taser Boy.....the guy is looking for a reaction..............I suppose most people would just comply to make life a little easier for themselves. My take, If I haven't done anything wrong, what do I have to worry about...........you want to look, go ahead. I have more important things to do with my time here on earth..........:hmm:

So by that logic, I must be doing illegal things because I refuse to let strangers into my house. Screw this Circuit City guy. I would've said:

"I'm driving away in 5 seconds, whether you're in or out of the door, and your buddy's infront of my hearse or not."

:p

[sunvalleyslim]

[quote=Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

just another citizen wanting to make waves. For every action there is a reaction. Sometimes right, some times wrong.........Just like Taser Boy.....the guy is looking for a reaction..............I suppose most people would just comply to make life a little easier for themselves. My take, If I haven't done anything wrong, what do I have to worry about...........you want to look, go ahead. I have more important things to do with my time here on earth..........:hmm:

So by that logic, I must be doing illegal things because I refuse to let strangers into my house. Screw this Circuit City guy. I would've said:

"I'm driving away in 5 seconds, whether you're in or out of the door, and your buddy's infront of my hearse or not."

Well Kapitan Phillips.

Driving away in 5 seconds, whether they're in or out, and the guy in front would have constituted assault with a deadly weapon. To which case whether or not the detention was warranted or not, would have caused you arrest, bail, court, and large attorney fees. Which you would have won your case, but at what cost? Principal? That's a mighty high price to pay............

My logic is not to refuse entry into your house, that is your right, and so is not being searched without probable cause. This case is to trivial to demand so much. I do not believe as some say, if we don't stop here, they (the police) will abuse their authority......As with all things power can be abused.......however in this case its much too small in the context of life.....