You'll probably be voting Democrat/Republican in 2008:

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Here we go! The Democrat monster thing. When you don't know what to say bring out the old trusty Democrat excuse. So typical.
Who had the surplus, a Democrat or Republican president?
Who spent that surplus plus ran up the largest national debt in American history? That wasn't a Democrat.

And here we go, blaming everything under the sun including the weather on the evil Republican President. Budgets are decided by Congress, not the President, you ought to know that Brad.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Please show where I'm wrong in anything on this thread.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Please show me where you're right.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Actually no. You typically go into that crazy/combative mode when you've been shown you're wrong.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

And here we go, blaming everything under the sun including the weather on the evil Republican President. Budgets are decided by Congress, not the President, you ought to know that Brad.

It takes two to tango. You ought to know that. The President and Congress. Both had been Republican but debt went uncontrolled when Bush took office. And the buck stops where?

1996 $4.9 trillion in federal debt
2001: $4 trillion in federal debt
2007: $9 trillion in federal debt

Or is that just some kind of coincidence?

Global warming started under Bush. Didn't you know.

Edit: Just for grins and giggles. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It takes two to tango. You ought to know that. The President and Congress. Both had been Republican but debt went uncontrolled when Bush took office. And the buck stops where?

1996 $4.9 trillion in federal debt
2001: $4 trillion in federal debt
2007: $9 trillion in federal debt

Or is that just some kind of coincidence?

Global warming started under Bush. Didn't you know.

Edit: Just for grins and giggles. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Like a $4.9 Trillion debt is something to be proud of? This sounds like the old Democrat "vote for us because we're not as bad as the republicans" argument.

The truth is that each year since 1969, regardless of who is in charge, Congress has spent more money than it "earned". Even when they claim budget surpluses they were still spending more than they were taking in. But you really can't blame the president (Rep or Dem) for this. Without the line item veto he has to approve or disapprove an entire annual spending bill rather than just stripping the unrelated pork from it like most of the governors in this country can do when their legislatures start going hog wild with the people money.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It takes two to tango. You ought to know that. The President and Congress. Both had been Republican but debt went uncontrolled when Bush took office. And the buck stops where?

1996 $4.9 trillion in federal debt
2001: $4 trillion in federal debt
2007: $9 trillion in federal debt

Or is that just some kind of coincidence?

Global warming started under Bush. Didn't you know.

Edit: Just for grins and giggles. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

I agree the pork spending is out of control. But if you didn't realize, a war is going on. Are you one of those Democrats who wants to end funding it? And the Democrats control the purse strings now. I think Bush should veto alot of the crap coming in front of him. It's unfortunate that the Democrats have tied almost everything to war funding. And at this point, most people agree that this failed Congress is disappointing to say the least. I think as of this week, they're at a paltry 11% approval. Hanging by a thread.

And by the way, using your logic, terrorism started under Bill Clinton. If he had done his job, maybe this war wouldn't have been so expensive.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

Like a $4.9 Trillion debt is something to be proud of? This sounds like the old Democrat "vote for us because we're not as bad as the republicans" argument.

No, but it sure as hell beats what it is now. From 1996 to 2001 the federal debt dropped nearly 1 trillion dollars. From 2001 to 2007 the debt rose 5 trillion dollars. This isn't about voting Democrat or Republican it's about fiscal responsibility. It's about paying as you go or as close to it as a goverment can, not "I have a checkbook and I can spend as long as I have checks". It's as I've said countless times and voted countless times it's not the party I'll vote for it's who has the right message be it Republican, Democrat or Independent. But if a thread turns into a Republicans are smart and Democrats are stupid thread I'll do my best to make Republicans look even stupider.

The truth is that each year since 1969, regardless of who is in charge, Congress has spent more money than it "earned". Even when they claim budget surpluses they were still spending more than they were taking in.

I don't see how that would be but even if so that doesn't give reason for mindless spending, being in a war, and then turn around and cut taxes. It doesn't make sense to me. The return isn't there and it was proven it wasn't before it was enacted.

Without the line item veto he has to approve or disapprove an entire annual spending bill rather than just stripping the unrelated pork from it like most of the governors in this country can do when their legislatures start going hog wild with the people money.

To nullify or "cancel" specific provisions of a bill, usually budget appropriations so I would take it that it was open to other uses also.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It's as I've said countless times and voted countless times it's not the party I'll vote for it's who has the right message be it Republican, Democrat or Independent. But if a thread turns into a Republicans are smart and Democrats are stupid thread I'll do my best to make Republicans look even stupider.

That's funny. But there are plenty of "Democrats are smart. Republicans are stupid" threads around here. Can you please point me to one thread where you have defended the Republican in those threads? Just one comment from one thread in the past will suffice. I ain't buying that you're non-partisan.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I don't see how that would be but even if so that doesn't give reason for mindless spending, being in a war, and then turn around and cut taxes. It doesn't make sense to me. The return isn't there and it was proven it wasn't before it was enacted.

The point is, we shouldn't be mindless spending. In a time of war, we should be cutting the federal budget where we can. And that includes alot of the tax-payer giveaways that Democrats love so much. Taking money out of the pocketbooks of hard working Americans will shrink the economy and discourage investments. That's a recipe for slowing growth. Cutting taxes is the best thing Bush could have done. The spending on crap is the problem. August is right. A line item veto would be a good deal in eliminating unneeded federal spending. And it wouldn't allow Democrats the opportunity to threaten our military with defunding in a time of war.

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

No, but it sure as hell beats what it is now. From 1996 to 2001 the federal debt dropped nearly 1 trillion dollars. From 2001 to 2007 the debt rose 5 trillion dollars. This isn't about voting Democrat or Republican it's about fiscal responsibility. It's about paying as you go or as close to it as a goverment can, not "I have a checkbook and I can spend as long as I have checks". It's as I've said countless times and voted countless times it's not the party I'll vote for it's who has the right message be it Republican, Democrat or Independent. But if a thread turns into a Republicans are smart and Democrats are stupid thread I'll do my best to make Republicans look even stupider.

And they'll return and make Dems look even stupider than that, when the truth is they are both equally stupid in their own ways. Unfortunately it is political one upsmanship just like that from both sides that has gotten us to the state we're in now.

We haven't had a remotely unifyng president since Reagan and even he had problems with it.

I don't see how that would be but even if so that doesn't give reason for mindless spending, being in a war, and then turn around and cut taxes. It doesn't make sense to me. The return isn't there and it was proven it wasn't before it was enacted.

The tax cut is not the source of the problem, governmental spending is. If the Bush tax cuts had never been implemented the budget deficit would be just as big as it is now.

To nullify or "cancel" specific provisions of a bill, usually budget appropriations so I would take it that it was open to other uses also.

Yeah the Supreme Court viewed the LIV as a separation of powers issue. Congress can't give up it's "power of the purse strings" without a constitutional amendment.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

That's funny. But there are plenty of "Democrats are smart. Republicans are stupid" threads around here. Can you please point me to one thread where you have defended the Republican in those threads? Just one comment from one thread in the past will suffice. I ain't buying that you're non-partisan.

Above:

But if a thread turns into a Republicans are smart and Democrats are stupid thread I'll do my best to make Republicans look even stupider.

Actually I can't think of a Republicans are dumb and Democrats are smart thread. You'd have to show me. If you look at a couple of comments in this thread before it turned into a smart/dumb thread you will see where I have made comments critical of the Democratic party.
I don't care if you think I'm non-partisan I voted for a Republican governor, an Independent senator and an Democratic congressman last elections. I go by the message not the party.

[bradclark1]

And they'll return and make Dems look even stupider than that, when the truth is they are both equally stupid in their own ways.

I haven't seen that yet. Remember I'm talking about smart/dumb threads not parties. Our political system has turned into the payback revenge system that whatever one party is for even if it's a good idea the other party would be against it just because.

The tax cut is not the source of the problem, governmental spending is. If the Bush tax cuts had never been implemented the budget deficit would be just as big as it is now.

We'll just have to disagree on that one.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It takes two to tango. You ought to know that. The President and Congress. Both had been Republican but debt went uncontrolled when Bush took office. And the buck stops where?

1996 $4.9 trillion in federal debt
2001: $4 trillion in federal debt
2007: $9 trillion in federal debt

Or is that just some kind of coincidence?

Global warming started under Bush. Didn't you know.

Edit: Just for grins and giggles. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Truth. The President submits a budget to Congress annually. If one is a conservative, he cannot be happy with Bush's spending binges.

[NiclDoe]

I really do not know becuase im in school but my older sister says Democrat

[JALU3]

Originally Posted by NiclDoe

I really do not know becuase im in school but my older sister says Democrat

Don't support a political party or an individual running for office only because one or a couple of your family members support them. Don't support a political party or an individual running for office only because your friends or the in-crowd supports them. Rather, look at all the political parties out there, look at all the individuals running for office which you have an option to vote for, and research what they are about. Find out what they say that the stand for, and what their policy opinions are on various subjects. And then, choose for yourself, the one that matches your opinions on those policy questions.

[August]

Originally Posted by JALU3

Don't support a political party or an individual running for office only because one or a couple of your family members support them. Don't support a political party or an individual running for office only because your friends or the in-crowd supports them. Rather, look at all the political parties out there, look at all the individuals running for office which you have an option to vote for, and research what they are about. Find out what they say that the stand for, and what their policy opinions are on various subjects. And then, choose for yourself, the one that matches your opinions on those policy questions.

Unless you like letting someone else do your thinking for you, in which case doing what your family tells you to do is probably your best bet...