My Complaints about SH4

[SnowCajun]

First off I love the game, but it has issues, or maybe I have issues and fail to realize it's just me... go ahead and tell me it's just me, that's okay, I won't get a complex about it I promise!

1. Have you ever shot a ship and destroyed it's propellar and rudder, I mean totally knocked it off the ship, then sit back and watch it continue to sail away at 6 knots? OMG it's a miracle! I just obliterated the ass end of a Large Modern Tanker with two torpedo hits, totally knocked off it's propellar and rudder, and then watched it sail away into the sunset while I was submerged dodging destroyers. Boooo Ubisoft!

2. Though many players play for the pure fun of searching for and sinking Japanese shipping, as do I because it's mainly all I've really read about, never the less I miss the medals and awards, things are very lacking in that area. I really feel shortchanged on the medals and don't buy their story that the medals are copyrighted and they can't use them, I've seen way too many other games use them extensively. To top it off how many times will I be awarded that equivalent to the Navy Cross and not receive any clusters to add to it, to me that's boring. I'd love to see a better example of medals for what we've achieved on our patrols. I've won many of the Navy Crosses yet if you look into my medal box there's one there.. It's the same with the others, only one there with no clusters. Boooo Ubisoft!

3. Part of a fun gaming experience is seeing your achievements, and in this I don't necessarily mean medals, I mean wouldn't it be fantastic if they gave us a battle flag designer to work on and after our return to port each time we were issued earned flags to put on our battle flag as we please, just like the real ones from real subs.. Solid centers for sinkings and hollow or white centers for damaged ships. This would really be a hoot to do, especially if they were printable, which no doubt I'd probably do and frame. I know, that sounds kid like in a way, and I'm 55 years old, but I'm really into this sub sim, especially the Pacific theatre .. I can't seem to get enough. There's zero recognition for shooting down a plane. Come on Ubisoft, wake the heck up, pay attention to the fun part of the game, or bring someone in as a consultant that understands this stuff a little better. You guys have done a good job in making the game but you seem to have missed some of the important other stuff, there's still a little more that needs to be done, and you're so close to being so great at what you have.

4. I read someone in the forums that patch 1.3 is the last we should expect from Ubisoft! I don't get it, what's with these companies that release something and forget about it? Isn't the game still being sold to the public, why forget about it like that? This product is too good to just forget about like hamburger in the freezer, it's the most fun game I've ever had, I love it, I hope that's just a fairytale that 1.3 is the last, there's still a ton of fun here that would continue to inspire people to keep buying this if they didn't sit on their thumbs!

So much for my 2 cents!
SnowCajun

[the_belgian]

quote ; "3. Part of a fun gaming experience is seeing your achievements, and in this I don't necessarily mean medals, I mean wouldn't it be fantastic if they gave us a battle flag designer to work on and after our return to port each time we were issued earned flags to put on our battle flag as we please"

you can solve it this way:

in this pic.;
3 stars for 3 completed missions
1 IJN vessel sunk
12 merchants sunk
8 planes downed

(this is a shot from an old patrol,the icons i add are smaler now)

How to add them?See;
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116029

[C DuDe]

1. Have you ever shot a ship and destroyed it's propellar and rudder, I mean totally knocked it off the ship, then sit back and watch it continue to sail away at 6 knots? OMG it's a miracle! I just obliterated the ass end of a Large Modern Tanker with two torpedo hits, totally knocked off it's propellar and rudder, and then watched it sail away into the sunset while I was submerged dodging destroyers. Boooo Ubisoft!

Are you using the NSM Mod or any Mod for that matter?

I always go (with one of the torpedoes) for a stern shot in order to cripple or at least slow the vessel down and so after evading the DD's go for the kill, I never had any vessel miraculously continue on it's course after a hit like that.

[maerean_m]

Back in the WWII, medals were awarded to people who fought and died for their country .
It is not fair to all those heroes to award the "real" Medal of Honour to someone who plays a game for 2 hours, in the comfort of their home.

Others may be doing it in their games, but that doesn't mean is ok. This is one of the problems of today's media, that it builds egos the size of a house without any real merit on "your" part.

Let's not be selfish and consider/imagine what the war was like.

But I agree on the reward for shooting down a plane etc.

[JSF]

Originally Posted by C DuDe

Are you using the NSM Mod or any Mod for that matter?

I always go (with one of the torpedoes) for a stern shot in order to cripple or at least slow the vessel down and so after evading the DD's go for the kill, I never had any vessel miraculously continue on it's course after a hit like that.

I have seen it often.....

And, it seems more frequent since the last patch......But that just maybe me.....I have switched to manual TDC and my technique needs ...well... ....a new technique....

On another note....I like what The Belgian has done to the sail in that pic.

[SnowCajun]

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Back in the WWII, medals were awarded to people who fought and died for their country. It is not fair to all those heroes to award the "real" Medal of Honour to someone who plays a game for 2 hours, in the comfort of their home.

I both respect your opinion and disagree with it at the same time. This is a simulation game, for entertainment purposes only, and I prefer realism in my games.

The people who did this in real life are my true heroes in life. Eugene Fluckey, Capt. of the USS Barb, is larger than life to me, he was always full of ideas that were way ahead of his time. To quote something Carl LaVO said about Fluckey, LaVO said that Fluckey always did his best to "overcome any obstacle, as he did in defying physicians by reversing severe near-sightedness that would have forced him to resign from the Naval Academy prior to his graduation in 1935". Isn't that amazing, totally incredible to have that much desire and drive to achieve what he wanted that he figured that out and did it himself?

I see a game like this as honoring heroes like these people, keeping their memories alive by simulating what they went through. I'm not trying to take anything from them, I want to be like them, even if it's just a simulated game. We live in an era in life where people now call sports figures heroes, or rock stars, or movie actors. I think the world has forgotten what a real hero looks like, what they did, what they endured, and that many gave their all for the cause.

Yes I enjoy this game, but had I not read about these heroes I doubt seriously I'd invest the time I do in games such as this to help remember exactly what they experienced. I see it this way, this game honors people Gene Fluckey and Dick O'Kane, or even the common crew members of boats that made it through the war and even boats that didn't and are still on eternal patrol. Our world will never be the same again, these people stood on the bow of their boats while leaving Pearl Harbor and passing all the ships sunk during the attack and they wept like babies with no shame or feelings of dishonor in their doing so because they knew it was their brothers in arms still laying dead incapsulated in those capsized ships.

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Others may be doing it in their games, but that doesn't mean is ok. This is one of the problems of today's media, that it builds egos the size of a house without any real merit on "your" part. Let's not be selfish and consider/imagine what the war was like.

People get killed in this simulation, haven't you noticed. Last time I checked with the local police killing people was illegal, are we wrong in that also. Believe it or not I've been told that before, it's wrong to simulate killing people. I swear, some people take things way overboard.

You almost offend me with your "selfish" statement to the point I almost want to say, "how dare you for suggesting I'm selfish and trying to take something without any merit". Yes it's a fact of life no two people are ever going to agree on things, but I think you went a bit overboard saying this to someone you don't know and have absolutely zero clue about my feelings towards these amazing people. I so admired Dick O'Kane that I spoke to him numerous times in the early 1980's, even his wife Ernie phoned me when Dick passed away. I would take nothing from this man, I would do nothing what-so-ever in this world to demish who he was or what he did, nor would I for Gene Fluckey or any other single soul who fought the great fight for our freedom.

In playing and enjoying this game I'm not in any form or fashion trying to compare myself to the real heroes these people were and always will be, I'm just trying to enjoy the game. I'm fascinated by what they went through, their stories are amazing to me, they all are my heroes whether they won medals or not. Every single one of them whether they were black, brown, white, or whatever color, who climbed down in one of those steel tubes for months at a time breathing stale air with so little oxygen at times they couldn't even light a match and traveled across the ocean to deliver torpedoes to Japanese shipping, they are all my heroes! Playing this game and getting awards for doing well in the game in no way at all deminishes anything they ever did, there's not a one of them alive today that I wouldn't give my life to save, nor would I hesitate to extend my hand and shake theirs gladly thanking them for what they did for me even though I wasn't born yet.

Okay I've stepped back and taken a breath or two .. guess you got me fired up. Like I said, I agree with you in one way but don't in another, but in not agreeing with me I think you overstepped your bounds with the "selfish" statement because you have no idea who I am in this world and you quite obviously don't realize that I have more respect for these heroes than I do for anyone else in the world either.

SnowCajun

[AVGWarhawk]

I agree on point 1 and point 4. Point 1, the ship should be dead in it's tracks. Point 4, game is in a good state of playability and the modders are making it wonderful. Fixes, although I would like them, are few and minor.

[SnowCajun]

Originally Posted by JSF

Are you using the NSM Mod or any Mod for that matter?

Actually no, just playing the game straight out of the box but patched with the v1.3 patch is all. I saw this before also, I moved my camera over to the back of the ship and could see the propellor wash in the water as the ship moved on, yet when I dove the camera under the back of the ship there was no propellor there period, it'd been blown away. I guess it's just one of the oddities of the game!

SnowCajun

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SnowCajun

I both respect your opinion and disagree with it at the same time. This is a simulation game, for entertainment purposes only, and I prefer realism in my games.

The people who did this in real life are my true heroes in life. Eugene Fluckey, Capt. of the USS Barb, is larger than life to me, he was always full of ideas that were way ahead of his time. To quote something Carl LaVO said about Fluckey, LaVO said that Fluckey always did his best to "overcome any obstacle, as he did in defying physicians by reversing severe near-sightedness that would have forced him to resign from the Naval Academy prior to his graduation in 1935". Isn't that amazing, totally incredible to have that much desire and drive to achieve what he wanted that he figured that out and did it himself?

I see a game like this as honoring heroes like these people, keeping their memories alive by simulating what they went through. I'm not trying to take anything from them, I want to be like them, even if it's just a simulated game. We live in an era in life where people now call sports figures heroes, or rock stars, or movie actors. I think the world has forgotten what a real hero looks like, what they did, what they endured, and that many gave their all for the cause.

Yes I enjoy this game, but had I not read about these heroes I doubt seriously I'd invest the time I do in games such as this to help remember exactly what they experienced. I see it this way, this game honors people Gene Fluckey and Dick O'Kane, or even the common crew members of boats that made it through the war and even boats that didn't and are still on eternal patrol. Our world will never be the same again, these people stood on the bow of their boats while leaving Pearl Harbor and passing all the ships sunk during the attack and they wept like babies with no shame or feelings of dishonor in their doing so because they knew it was their brothers in arms still laying dead incapsulated in those capsized ships.

People get killed in this simulation, haven't you noticed. Last time I checked with the local police killing people was illegal, are we wrong in that also. Believe it or not I've been told that before, it's wrong to simulate killing people. I swear, some people take things way overboard.

You almost offend me with your "selfish" statement to the point I almost want to say, "how dare you for suggesting I'm selfish and trying to take something without any merit". Yes it's a fact of life no two people are ever going to agree on things, but I think you went a bit overboard saying this to someone you don't know and have absolutely zero clue about my feelings towards these amazing people. I so admired Dick O'Kane that I spoke to him numerous times in the early 1980's, even his wife Ernie phoned me when Dick passed away. I would take nothing from this man, I would do nothing what-so-ever in this world to demish who he was or what he did, nor would I for Gene Fluckey or any other single soul who fought the great fight for our freedom.

In playing and enjoying this game I'm not in any form or fashion trying to compare myself to the real heroes these people were and always will be, I'm just trying to enjoy the game. I'm fascinated by what they went through, their stories are amazing to me, they all are my heroes whether they won medals or not. Every single one of them whether they were black, brown, white, or whatever color, who climbed down in one of those steel tubes for months at a time breathing stale air with so little oxygen at times they couldn't even light a match and traveled across the ocean to deliver torpedoes to Japanese shipping, they are all my heroes! Playing this game and getting awards for doing well in the game in no way at all deminishes anything they ever did, there's not a one of them alive today that I wouldn't give my life to save, nor would I hesitate to extend my hand and shake theirs gladly thanking them for what they did for me even though I wasn't born yet.

Okay I've stepped back and taken a breath or two .. guess you got me fired up. Like I said, I agree with you in one way but don't in another, but in not agreeing with me I think you overstepped your bounds with the "selfish" statement because you have no idea who I am in this world and you quite obviously don't realize that I have more respect for these heroes than I do for anyone else in the world either.

SnowCajun

You speak to the one who was a developer of the game. Least we remember your part of the world sometimes does not view the other part of the world as the same and vise versa. As far as the Medal of Honor, being Maerean was an integral part of the development of the game and this is the way the developers in Romania feel about the medals, it is something we have to accept. Personally, the way the medals was handled is fine by me. Not a deal breaker.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by SnowCajun

1. Have you ever shot a ship and destroyed it's propellar and rudder, I mean totally knocked it off the ship, then sit back and watch it continue to sail away at 6 knots? OMG it's a miracle! I just obliterated the ass end of a Large Modern Tanker with two torpedo hits, totally knocked off it's propellar and rudder, and then watched it sail away into the sunset while I was submerged dodging destroyers. Boooo Ubisoft!


4. I read someone in the forums that patch 1.3 is the last we should expect from Ubisoft! I don't get it, what's with these companies that release something and forget about it? SnowCajun

1.I agree
4.Don't believe everything you read.

[SnowCajun]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Personally, the way the medals was handled is fine by me. Not a deal breaker.

Agreed, not a deal breaker for me either, I enjoy the game very much. I think I just wanted to see some more aspects of it involved to a better standard than what I feel is rather bland as it is! I honestly think having a battle flag designer for your sub to display all your sinkings and damaged ships, as well as planes, would be a blast.

SnowCajun

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SnowCajun

Agreed, not a deal breaker for me either, I enjoy the game very much. I think I just wanted to see some more aspects of it involved to a better standard than what I feel is rather bland as it is! I honestly think having a battle flag designer for your sub to display all your sinkings and damaged ships, as well as planes, would be a blast.

SnowCajun

There is a mod out there for this. Quite nice. Find it over in the mod forums. To me, the SH3/SH4 part of the series is like a unfinished painting that the developers have allowed us(modders) to finish painting. Check out the mod forums...there is so many finished parts of this painting that the mods have done it is virturally a new game. Check out the new environmental reflections mod released today. There are enough mods and more to come to make the game what you want it to be. That is the beauty of SH3/SH4.

[SnowCajun]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

As far as the Medal of Honor, being Maerean was an integral part of the development of the game and this is the way the developers in Romania feel about the medals, it is something we have to accept. Personally, the way the medals was handled is fine by me. Not a deal breaker.

Romania or not, and game designer or not, this does not give him an excuse to lash out and at someone calling them selfish because they expressed their likes or dislikes for a game feature I'd like to see. He may well be a good programmer, but he was darned well short on manners with his response!

I can't think of anyone in this entire world who could possibly have more respect for these people who actually lived the real life version of what we've playing via this game than I do. I just felt his response was rude and totally off base, there was absolutely nothing at all that I was trying to gain merit wise by discussing my thoughts and feelings of the game medals. There was absolutely zero intentions to deminish in any way possible the value of what these fine heroes did who actually lived through, or even died during, the real thing we're now playing via Simulation.

It's only through honor and respect for them all, each and every single one, whether they're the Captain, or even a Stewards Mate which was then normally only given to blacks or other minorities, yet they all did their jobs bravely and with honor. A happy boat performed well and even a lowly stewards mate had to know how to cook well enough to keep the crew happy all the while being in equal danger of death from bombs, mines, or depth charges. The Captain may have aimed the torpedoes in most cases, but the boat functioned as a total team and they all depended on each other, Captains did not win Medals of Honor alone, it took total cooperation from all members of his crew.

For someone to suggest I would want to steal their glory or merit via a game is beyond ridiculous, it's only because of what these men did, because of who these men were, and because of what they endured and sacrificed for our freedom that I desire to play this game. They are my heroes and for someone to suggest I might have an inflated ego and be enterested in feeding off their merit just purely makes me sick. I can't even believe someone would think like that.

SnowCajun

[AVGWarhawk]

Others may be doing it in their games, but that doesn't mean is ok. This is one of the problems of today's media, that it builds egos the size of a house without any real merit on "your" part.

Although "your" is written as it is, I do not believe he was pointing you out soley. Also, "others may be doing it in their games" I believe means other companies that are using the actual medal likness in their games they created.


Please notice, he put in a bowing smiley for respect of these men and what war really is. See below:

Back in the WWII, medals were awarded to people who fought and died for their country .

I do not think this was a pointed attack on you but how a Romainin expresses oneself in a non-native tongue (english) just does not translate as well as one hopes. I for one would have a hell of a time getting my thoughts across in his native language. Lastly, UBI did not put in the very likness of the actual medal in respect for those that earned it with their blood. This was done out of respect. This was coming from a person in a different country to boot! If that does not speak volumns to the respect he has then I do not know what does.

[C DuDe]

I can't think of anyone in this entire world who could possibly have more respect for these people who actually lived the real life version of what we've playing via this game than I do.

Who gave you the right..... Sorry I'm not even going to go there.

Can you please delete this from your post.

Thx.