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Old 09-16-07, 07:06 PM   #16
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Penny thought right, and I agree with Brad above: I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.
I would say I vote for principles. The candidate with principles that I agree with gets my vote. Lower taxes, no illegal immigration, less govt. and take the fight to Al Queda and terrorists.
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Old 09-16-07, 09:51 PM   #17
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Penny thought right, and I agree with Brad above: I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.
I would say I vote for principles. The candidate with principles that I agree with gets my vote. Lower taxes, no illegal immigration, less govt. and take the fight to Al Queda and terrorists.
Big on the knee-jerk stuff there.
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Old 09-16-07, 09:56 PM   #18
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Penny thought right, and I agree with Brad above: I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.
I would say I vote for principles. The candidate with principles that I agree with gets my vote. Lower taxes, no illegal immigration, less govt. and take the fight to Al Queda and terrorists.
Big on the knee-jerk stuff there.
It's the stuff that counts for me
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Old 09-16-07, 10:30 PM   #19
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Penny thought right, and I agree with Brad above: I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.
I would say I vote for principles. The candidate with principles that I agree with gets my vote. Lower taxes, no illegal immigration, less govt. and take the fight to Al Queda and terrorists.
My question is, can we find that on the democrat "side of the aisle" who would abide by your policy stances? However . . . I think the catch is in keeping taxes low and having a small government.

As POTUS Ronald Reagan once said:

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Old 09-17-07, 02:41 AM   #20
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I think taxes have to be looked at from both ends. As in, what you're getting for your tax payments.
Saying that low taxes should be a goal is a little...myopic?
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I think taxes have to be looked at from both ends. As in, what you're getting for your tax payments.
Saying that low taxes should be a goal is a little...myopic?
For starters, I don't want my taxes supporting those that should be supporting themselves.

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Old 09-17-07, 10:24 AM   #22
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Myopic? My personal stance is that anyone who is in a position to make taxes should have the attitude that all taxes are evil. A necessary evil, perhaps, but evil nonetheless.
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Myopic? My personal stance is that anyone who is in a position to make taxes should have the attitude that all taxes are evil. A necessary evil, perhaps, but evil nonetheless.
I dislike tax on essensial items. (Basic houseing, basic food, water)

I dislike any form of universal or poll tax. (council tax!)

I fully support tax as penalty (alcohol, car, tabacco, pollution etc)

I am still undecided about industrial, and other buisness tax as I don't understand buisness economics as well as I should.

I have no problem with transaction tax (inheritance, import/export etc)

Finaly, I am all for luxery tax (electronics, media and all other non-essensial items)

One should be able live with out paying any tax as long as you lead a spartan life. No one should have to live below that standard because of lack of support.
I don't belive that anyone should earn more than is proportional to the work they do either, but that is wishful thinking.
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Old 09-17-07, 12:07 PM   #24
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I thought you Americans voted more on the lines of the individual, rather than what Political Party they are representing.
It was the correct thing to do in the 1950's and 1960's to vote for the party of your choice ... ever since Nixon and Vietnam things have changed.

Now people vote according to who they would like to have home for supper. If they don't like you ... your not going to be invited home for dinner.
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I vote for the only guy who has a graduate degree from the Hanoi Hilton...the only one with real XP pts...the only one who seems to speak his mind wether or not is is expedient or not.....the only one who seems not to be a puppet.

A Rebel....onboard the Forrestal...POW...dudes got True grit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

You guys from across the waves say what you will...but as the election process progresses...the Republicans will come behind this guy and he will be president.

The rest of the Rebublicans are dorks...and the Dems...wow what a mess over there. lol
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I vote for the only guy who has a graduate degree from the Hanoi Hilton...the only one with real XP pts...the only one who seems to speak his mind wether or not is is expedient or not.....the only one who seems not to be a puppet.

A Rebel....onboard the Forrestal...POW...dudes got True grit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

You guys from across the waves say what you will...but as the election process progresses...the Republicans will come behind this guy and he will be president.

The rest of the Rebublicans are dorks...and the Dems...wow what a mess over there. lol
Back in 2000, I supported McCain during the primaries, based on his military record and his years of experience as a Public Servant.

However, now, with Illegal Immigration being a more important issue this election cycle, I cannot supporty him until he resolves his policy stances. Otherwise, I would return to his "camp".
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Yes, McCain has no chance, he has done too much to tick off the conservative base. I know the guy is a war hero and all but it doesn't matter when he gave us some of the most terrible legislation that caused a majority of problems we now have when it comes to these elections. McCain / Feingold was garbage, restricted free speech rights, and created the 527 groups like Moveon.org. John McCain has been on the wrong side of too many issues, gun control, immigration, campaign finance reform just to name a few. Therefore, he is not going to be the nominee.
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Old 09-18-07, 11:19 AM   #28
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Myopic? My personal stance is that anyone who is in a position to make taxes should have the attitude that all taxes are evil. A necessary evil, perhaps, but evil nonetheless.
I dislike tax on essensial items. (Basic houseing, basic food, water)

I dislike any form of universal or poll tax. (council tax!)

I fully support tax as penalty (alcohol, car, tabacco, pollution etc)

I am still undecided about industrial, and other buisness tax as I don't understand buisness economics as well as I should.

I have no problem with transaction tax (inheritance, import/export etc)

Finaly, I am all for luxery tax (electronics, media and all other non-essensial items)

One should be able live with out paying any tax as long as you lead a spartan life. No one should have to live below that standard because of lack of support.
I don't belive that anyone should earn more than is proportional to the work they do either, but that is wishful thinking.
It is also personal opinion. What is proportional? What is fair, and who decides? The original purpose of the American form of government was to guarantee maximum personal freedom while also guaranteeing protection from each other. Government has no "rights", and freedoms aren't "allowed", they are natural rights which we create a government to protect.

The only reason for there ever to be a tax under that ideal is that government has no way of supporting itself. Taxes are to provide money so government can operate, and nothing else, including "punishing the rich".
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Old 09-18-07, 11:20 AM   #29
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What you don't love this????
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There used to be a special luxury tax on yachts here in the states. It seemed like a good idea, the ones who would be paying the tax would be people who could afford expensive toys right?

The problem was that rich yachtsmen just started buying their toys overseas and as a result many domestic yacht manufacturers, some that had been in business since before the civil war, were driven out of business forcing the lay off hundreds of blue collar workers.
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