Prophecy fullfilled

[Skybird]

A god sending hurricanes to make mortals believe in him is a sick, cruel psychopath and should be locked away in a psychiatry (where he probably escaped from anyway). I wish he would not send hurricanes, but reason.

Anyhow, making one's own little chatter with god a public matter reminds me of this little passage in the Bible:

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew 6, 5-8)

Or in short, geetrue:
Keep thy religion to thyself.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew 6, 5-8)

Or in short, geetrue:
Keep thy religion to thyself.

A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.

It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.

[minsc_tdp]

I hate to be a dick, but I'm an atheist and this is quite a load of BS.

1. If you had posted this before the hurricane had already happened and wasn't old news, now that would have been something.
2. Why didn't god tell you this ahead of time before the hurricane even formed so you could have done something about it?
3. Did you know that in the past 20 years, 37 hurricanes have made landfall? That meets your definition of "broaching".
4. While TX is not often the site of expensive hurricane damage, Rita put it on the map in 2005. It's not like it's hitting in Reno as mentioned above.
5. Where a hurricane is going to hit is known quite a LONG time before it actually hits. So you weren't stating anything (or being "told" anything) that wasn't already known to scientists long before. The growth factor is always a wildcard, but after Katrina, it's a safe bet that any hurricane will be stronger than predicted.
6. I won't even open up the can of worms that is Israel. Suffiice it to say that a rocket gets shot at somebody up in that area every week.
7. He's in charge of these disasters that destroy entire cities, displace families, kill scores of pets, ruin infrastructures for decades to come, spread pestilence and disease, hurts the economy, and more... because... WHY exactly?
8. And why is that comforting to you?

So essentially you're saying that God told you something would happen after it already happened, and it was something that scientists already knew would likely happen days ago, didn't help you save anyone from the disaster, and then makes a blanket statement about Israel and rockets which happens all the time, and taking credit for a disaster is somehow comforting to you. How many other people do you think are getting these "revelations"? Do any of them live in Texas? How do you think they're taking the news? If someone burned my house down, then came up to me the next day and said "I burned your house down - but don't worry about, I'm in control and everything will work out in the end", he'd get beat within an inch of his life.

[fatty]

I had a dream once that Tim Allen found a long-lost son from the jungle and brought him back to the metropolis to raise him, comedy ensued. This prophecy later materialized in the unimpressive Jungle 2 Jungle.

:hmm:

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by minsc_tdp

I hate to be a dick, but I'm an atheist and this is quite a load of BS.

1. If you had posted this before the hurricane had already happened and wasn't old news, now that would have been something.
2. Why didn't god tell you this ahead of time before the hurricane even formed so you could have done something about it.

I did post it ... not only on subsim:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120597

I also posted it here:
http://foru.ms/t5717686-prophetic-a-...n-the-way.html

So essentially you're saying that God told you something would happen after it already happened,

Nope! I just repeated the message the same way He gave it to me on July 17th at foru.ms and on August 18th on subsim.

The real clue in the message is that God is bigger than we can imagine, even Christians are giving me a hard time on this. I forgive you.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

heh. this is a joke. did ye aver saw the "lord" ? if so. prove it

see to believe mate. i rather believe in satan (although he dosnt exist either) than the "lord"

i asked that b-tard every christian says to be existing to show his presance.
never saw a damn thing

say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:
mayby you should all believe in that one
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted.

havnt been on the topic of thehiredgun since my last post. :hmm:

im 19 thats correct. but i have no religious choise.
i hate all those stupid "this you may, this you may not" rules.

yes i am a moron today
yes i know i went over the top. but thats how I see religions

and. do i have a brain ? :hmm:

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr

havnt been on the topic of thehiredgun since my last post. :hmm:

im 19 thats correct. but i have no religious choise.
i hate all those stupid "this you may, this you may not" rules.

yes i am a moron today
yes i know i went over the top. but thats how I see religions

and. do i have a brain ? :hmm:

Check out post #8 and I think you'll find you have been there since he responded to you
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...847#post643847

The point I am trying to make is quite simple.......people of whatever religious faith/belief will not appreciate the deflamatory word you used when referring to their faith.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Check out post #8 and I think you'll find you have been there since he responded to you
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...847#post643847

The point I am trying to make is quite simple.......people of whatever religious faith/belief will not appreciate the deflamatory word you used when referring to their faith.

wasnt #8 my last post ? :hmm:

and if you want il remove it. but i still have THAT statement

[Skybird]

Hehe.

Five minutes of instant enlightenment. Precise, reasonable, and straight to the point:


And never I will consider myself to be so high-sitting that I would tell somebody: "I forgive you."

[minsc_tdp]

I certainly don't hope to make any enemies here since this is, by far, my favorite forum on the net and I hope any heated attitudes don't spill over into other, unrelated, friendly game threads.

Having said that, I will first acknowledge that you did make your statement about 2 months before the "hurricane" hit. But I will try to boil this down to the two key things you are simply ignoring or not understanding that make it all irrelevant.

The first is the overall odds of your revelation coming true. What were the odds? Let's pretend we're bookies and do a little oddsmaking. Well given that a hurricane has broached texas before, and the area has been generally pummelled with hurricanes the last few years, this is a pretty solid bet. If I were a bookie, I'd maybe give you 1.5 to 1. Hurricane Rita hit Texas in 2005 for christs sake. What fool would bet against your revelation?

The statement of "this has never happened before" is only referring to the rapid overnight growth which promoted its status. But your revelation didn't include that so it is completely irrelevant to all of this. You are (perhaps unconsciously) trying to use that to make it appear that the odds of your revelation coming true were very long, when in fact they simply weren't. You want it to be a revelation so you're twisting logic to reinforce that belief. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You also didn't state when it would happen, and while you got lucky and it happened shortly after your revelation was made, which appears to bolster your revelation, it actually doesn't matter since you didn't say when. It could have taken years and your old thread would have been dredged up at that time as Prophecy Fulfilled, albeit with less impact than the way things turned out. But we'll get to that in a second. Focusing still on the odds, as a Vegas bookie, if you tried to make an open-ended bet like that, none would take it, since the bookie will eventually lose the bet. But even if you had added the stipulation (which you didn't) that it would happen by the end of the year, a bookie MIGHT take that bet but the odds would still be maybe 1.5 to 1, given the recent hurricane activity in that area and the randomness of weather. Vegas isn't stupid, and the amazing things they have built are testaments to that.

So there's the odds. Keeping in mind we're talking about a 1.5 to 1 odds bet here, let's move onto point #2. This is a classic case of focusing on the hits and ignoring the misses. The "hit" in this case is your single prediction, even though the odds of it coming true were pretty good of it happening in the first place. The "misses" are the thousands upon thousands of revelations and predictions per hour made throughout the world that don't come true. Those are conveniently ignored, but there is a lot of "I told you so" on the ones that do come true. The way to be on the winning team is to use predictions so vague and open-ended that some of them will come true which you can then focus on - but hell, even Nostradomus knew this trick and was a master at exploiting it, though I think even he would be surprised at the gullibility of people centuries after.

There's even a well established term for this: Confirmation Bias:

"Confirmation-bias (selective evidence). Many people report a common perception of thinking about someone, when the phone then rings and the caller is the person they were thinking of. Is this strong evidence for a psychic ability between these people? The answer is no. It reflects a selective bias in memory and reason. Although we can remember the instances when this does happen (as they can be striking) we rarely remember the instances when it is not the person we were thinking of. Our memory is biased to place an emphasis on the ‘hits’ and ignore the ‘misses’."

Look at the Internet as giant collective brain, and you'll see how a supposedly amazing "hit" will be honed in on by dozens of people and marvelled at when it is just the simple phenominon of confirmation bias.

I fully agree that you believe that God revealed this to you. This might also be the only prediction you've ever made. So, from your perspective, you're 1 for 1. But you are one of many people making predictions, most of which do not come true unless they are vague and open ended like yours and already have good odds that they will come true.

Focusing on the hits and ignoring the misses, completly ignoring the odds, and trying to twist an unrelated fact in your favor, is ignoring the entire field of mathematics and logic, and a slap in the face to every great mathematician who has ever existed over thousands of years, and by extension, every great scientist who has ever lived from the early chinese to Einstein to those alive today.

It is also a slap in the face of all the math and sciences which fueled the industrial revolution and the ensuing population boom which contributed heavily to the odds of your even existing. It's a slap in the face to every person who applies mathematics and science every day to manage the logistics of your trash and water services, and the power services which power the very computer you are on right now, which wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the combined work of math and science over centuries and, more specifically, the dedicated mathematic and scientific work by the engineers responsible for the actual technology you are using. God did not put that *******ing computer on your desk.

I believe that the world would be a better place if everyone realized such obvious facts and threw out childish notions of spirits and woo-woo. I strongly suggest reading www.randi.org or "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Michael Shermer. Like all who evangelize, please realize that I am only trying to help you and all readers of this thread by showing the truth, nothing more.

[Camaero]

Sorry but I don't agree with anyone pushing their religion on anyone. All religions say that theirs is the right one and that all of the others are wrong. Most of them say "do not kill" and nobody seems to follow that one too well on this earth. People also pick and choose which part of the religion they like and they do not follow the other parts. It is so ridiculous. I personally do not think that any religion truly has it right. I don't think it is possible to truly have it right until you move on to the next "thing" (death). I would rather just let people tune in from within themselves rather than from all these wingnuts telling them what is what.



I am pretty much with Skybird here.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr

say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:

Yes:
http://www.venganza.org/

Open letter to Kansas school board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.
Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.
Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.
You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.
Sincerely Yours,
Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.

May the flying spagetti monster with you. Ramen!