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Old 09-14-07, 11:34 AM   #1
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If you really were a true believer Geetrue you'd know that God doesn't "try" to do anything. If he wants it done it happens, no "trying" to it...

The lord told me to tell you to go say 20 Hail Marys and 30 Our Fathers and be quick about it.
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Old 09-14-07, 12:05 PM   #2
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Hey guys.....I sure hope this is a wind up. If it aint, lets not go too far down the road of disrespecting someones faith/belief or even opinion
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Old 09-14-07, 12:32 PM   #3
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A god sending hurricanes to make mortals believe in him is a sick, cruel psychopath and should be locked away in a psychiatry (where he probably escaped from anyway). I wish he would not send hurricanes, but reason.

Anyhow, making one's own little chatter with god a public matter reminds me of this little passage in the Bible:

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew 6, 5-8)

Or in short, geetrue:
Keep thy religion to thyself.
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Old 09-14-07, 12:39 PM   #4
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5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew 6, 5-8)

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Keep thy religion to thyself.
A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.
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Old 09-14-07, 12:50 PM   #5
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A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.
It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.
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Old 09-14-07, 01:09 PM   #6
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I hate to be a dick, but I'm an atheist and this is quite a load of BS.

1. If you had posted this before the hurricane had already happened and wasn't old news, now that would have been something.
2. Why didn't god tell you this ahead of time before the hurricane even formed so you could have done something about it?
3. Did you know that in the past 20 years, 37 hurricanes have made landfall? That meets your definition of "broaching".
4. While TX is not often the site of expensive hurricane damage, Rita put it on the map in 2005. It's not like it's hitting in Reno as mentioned above.
5. Where a hurricane is going to hit is known quite a LONG time before it actually hits. So you weren't stating anything (or being "told" anything) that wasn't already known to scientists long before. The growth factor is always a wildcard, but after Katrina, it's a safe bet that any hurricane will be stronger than predicted.
6. I won't even open up the can of worms that is Israel. Suffiice it to say that a rocket gets shot at somebody up in that area every week.
7. He's in charge of these disasters that destroy entire cities, displace families, kill scores of pets, ruin infrastructures for decades to come, spread pestilence and disease, hurts the economy, and more... because... WHY exactly?
8. And why is that comforting to you?

So essentially you're saying that God told you something would happen after it already happened, and it was something that scientists already knew would likely happen days ago, didn't help you save anyone from the disaster, and then makes a blanket statement about Israel and rockets which happens all the time, and taking credit for a disaster is somehow comforting to you. How many other people do you think are getting these "revelations"? Do any of them live in Texas? How do you think they're taking the news? If someone burned my house down, then came up to me the next day and said "I burned your house down - but don't worry about, I'm in control and everything will work out in the end", he'd get beat within an inch of his life.
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Old 09-14-07, 01:24 PM   #7
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I had a dream once that Tim Allen found a long-lost son from the jungle and brought him back to the metropolis to raise him, comedy ensued. This prophecy later materialized in the unimpressive Jungle 2 Jungle.

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Old 09-14-07, 01:36 PM   #8
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I hate to be a dick, but I'm an atheist and this is quite a load of BS.

1. If you had posted this before the hurricane had already happened and wasn't old news, now that would have been something.
2. Why didn't god tell you this ahead of time before the hurricane even formed so you could have done something about it.
I did post it ... not only on subsim:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120597

I also posted it here:
http://foru.ms/t5717686-prophetic-a-...n-the-way.html

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So essentially you're saying that God told you something would happen after it already happened,
Nope! I just repeated the message the same way He gave it to me on July 17th at foru.ms and on August 18th on subsim.

The real clue in the message is that God is bigger than we can imagine, even Christians are giving me a hard time on this. I forgive you.
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A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.
It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.
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Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament): Liberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry. Those writers could have based their letters on traditional sayings attributed to Jesus which dated from an earlier era. An analysis by G.A. Wells showed to his satisfaction that the authors definitely believed in the existence of Jesus, but did not cite any evidence that he lived in the 1st century.

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We're laughing. But in reality - she is tragic.
True, it hurt to look at her children, the youngest especially.
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A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.
It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.
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Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament): Liberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry. Those writers could have based their letters on traditional sayings attributed to Jesus which dated from an earlier era. An analysis by G.A. Wells showed to his satisfaction that the authors definitely believed in the existence of Jesus, but did not cite any evidence that he lived in the 1st century.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm
Interesting, but no matter wether Jesus lived for real or not, he is dead since 2000 years and is not meant to ever come back. That's why I always refuse to join that personal cult around him, and refer only to some small parts of the bible that eventually I cvonsider to be reasonable and respectable BY THIER CONTENT. If Jesus lived for real or not, is relatively unimporant for me. the story around him, fictional or real, is no illustration of events by which man has been freed from taking responsibility for himself. The story only illustrates in what way we need to pick up and accept that responsibility. In other words: the story of his crucification does not mean that there was a man dying in our place, and now we are forgiven once and for all. It only means he died to hint us the way that nevertheless we need to go ourselves. Pick up your cross and carry it yourself. In plain English: accept the responsibility for your life, for your deeds, your thoughts, and the consequences you cause in the world, for they will fall back onto you in some way. From here, it is not far to the Karma idea in Asian philosophy.
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