Cold-War Era SH5 - Page 17

don1reed · 09-04-07, 07:39 AM

Hi Tom.

I believe it's just a matter of tastes.

We all tend toward the nostalgic...yesteryear...bygone days.

In comparison, modern subs is like a new religion...difficult to get new conversions and believers without miracles.

WWII subs have a following due to it's wartime track record...it's ingrained in our histories and memories due to the loss of life of the period.

cheers,

mookiemookie · 09-04-07, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomagabriel

I do not understand why for some people WWII is not boring and modern era is boring. I really don't.

I blame that beady-eyed, evil SOB Hyman Rickover.

tomagabriel · 09-05-07, 05:27 AM

"
Atlantic Ocean - A lone South African submarine has left some North Atlantic Treaty Organisation commanders with red faces Tuesday as it "sank" all the ships of the Nato Maritime Group engaged in exercises with the SA Navy off the Cape Coast.

The S101 - or the SAS Manthatisi - not only evaded detection by a joint Nato and SA Navy search party, consisting of several ships combing the search area with radar and sonar; it also sank all the ships taking part in the fleet.

At several times during the exercise that lasted throughout Monday night and Tuesday morning a red square lit up the screens where the surface ships thought the submarine was. but it remained elusive.

...

"

I've just run into this and thought it is a nice example of non-nuclear(bombs) modern kind of situation. Isn't it sweet? Hm... all of the suudden I feel the urge to clasify some contacts... :hmm:

GSpector · 09-06-07, 07:46 PM

I really would be interested in either another Cold War or WW2 just as long as it uses accurate Sub info and Navel info.

My biggest pet peeve with SH4 (and I like it a lot) is the use of the US Navy without accurate US Navel items. I would like to see actual time period Rank/Ratings, Medals, Ribbons and badges on a correct uniform.

Sagal92 · 09-08-07, 08:39 AM

They should make destroyer command 2 with Cls and CAs and maybe some BBs too^^
I would love to drive Admiral Graf Spee or Yamato or Warspite...

marky · 09-22-07, 04:33 PM

hell no

no combat i wont buy it

do sumthing original

like the IJN side

Frostyvegi · 09-22-07, 08:02 PM

Cold-Ware era sub game that needs ideas to make it more fun and 'entertaining'?

Just get Tom Clancy on the storyboard side of the dev team and he'll come up with senarios and ideas for sub-sub or any naval warfare you can dream of. If just reading something like The Hunt for Red October can get my heart rate up.. putting it into a game would make it so much more intense..

Takeda Shingen · 09-23-07, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomagabriel

Another thing is the NUKE scenario being invoked here again and again.

"blow the world - mission over"

This is so wrong! It is like talking about WWII and saying "smoke on horizon - mission over". There is a lot more than NUKES in the modern subs. Come on! Sometimes I feel people posting here never ever saw a picture of a modern sub. Of course most of you here feel confortable in the WWII waters, but the modern waters exist too and the reason they exist is the same reason such a modern sub sim should also exist. Or perhaps you fear somebody might get your WWII behind with a modern cruise missile ha,ha

Well, we were talking about boomers. That's what boomers do: Putt around at 2 knots and duck everything that comes by while waiting for the order to start World War III. They are big, strategically valuable and very, very expensive. As such, the USN does not risk them in tactical operations. Accordingly, I have always been uninterested in the premise of a boomer sim. However, no such sim has ever (outside of the SCX supermod) been attempted.

Hawk_345 · 09-23-07, 07:53 AM

I say stick with ww2, much more interesting and plenty of situations to choose from, cold war, not really anything you could do, it was not a hot war, and with misils and all that technolodgy, what fun will that be, stay with ww2.

thyro · 09-23-07, 08:52 AM

Cold War ... ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz great theme... ZZZzzz

few nice rusty subs ... but ZZZZZzzzzzzzz no action....

But how about China invade "made in T***n", US gets involved to protect "made in T***n". The rest of the world follows into the dark era of WWIII where China is the superpower.

Or NCorea launchs a missile, it lands in Jap... Jap retaliate, SCorea is invated by NC... US is called... China gets involved ... voila WWIII rolling.

good theme plenty of fictional action and role play.

WWI/WWII again?!?! is a bit far too much repetition... unless you add StarTrek Ship landing right in the middle of the conflit to make something interesting and different.

BUT above all make a damn good game where player SUBS can be ADDED to the game without much of a pain.

Rosencrantz · 09-25-07, 01:11 AM

If there will be a CW-era subsim in someday, I think:

1. It should be not messed with SH-serie, even this serie might be the best known/best selling subsim ever.

2. The new sim should be a shooting game. Tracking the boomers and other typical CW-missions are ok for a mission or two, but for a campaign they are just not enough.

3. Time frame for a campaign should be somewhere between 2-6 years and the specific CW-era should be considered with care before choosing.
Early CW years could be easiest, for both scenarion building and weapon data. I'm pretty sure next few years we'll see new archives to be open for a research.

However, I doubt UBI would be interested in to do a huge back ground work the new CW-subsim would need. Both campaign building and collecting weapon data would ask alot of work.

Greetings,
-RC-

Raptor_341 · 09-25-07, 01:53 AM

> I think a Great War ( First World War ) submarine simulation would be the best. But with the gameplay and feeling of the SH3 and SH4. (GWX like, if only that could be done) Even go a little before that, the 1900 submarines, U-1 (with her single torp tube), the Holland boats. All manual targeting, seeing as they didn't have much in the way of TDCs yet. A challange to operate, only 50m crush depths on early models, something very different than your ww2 sub sim. And look on the bright side, No real ASDIC until the very close of the war. (Even then it really didn't do much at all)

U49 · 09-25-07, 05:55 PM

Personally, I would also like to play british, french and german subs (conventional subs, for the fun of recharging batteries :-) )

It would be much fun to play part in a campaign like in "red storm rising" on either side!

Hawk_345 · 09-25-07, 06:23 PM

Mybe go in a totaly diferent direction, SH$ gfx engine, for a surface ship game, with the ability for sub warfair as well, or maybe a add on for SH4. anything is beter than CW era game. ww2 awlways

chripsch · 09-26-07, 06:52 AM

What about with WWI for SH5???

With different navies to choose:

- Royal Navy
- Imperial German Navy
- Imperial KuK Navy
- Imperial Russian Navy
- Royal Italian Navy
- French Navy

What do you think about??

Christian

View Poll Results: Would you like to see SH5 set in the Cold-War era?
Yes, it's the next logical step for this wonderful series.	229	48.62%
Are you high? I can't bear to leave the WWII arena.	210	44.59%
I was hoping it'd be set in space!	32	6.79%
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09-04-07, 07:39 AM	#241
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Hi Tom. I believe it's just a matter of tastes. We all tend toward the nostalgic...yesteryear...bygone days. In comparison, modern subs is like a new religion...difficult to get new conversions and believers without miracles. WWII subs have a following due to it's wartime track record...it's ingrained in our histories and memories due to the loss of life of the period. cheers, __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

09-06-07, 07:46 PM	#244
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I really would be interested in either another Cold War or WW2 just as long as it uses accurate Sub info and Navel info. My biggest pet peeve with SH4 (and I like it a lot) is the use of the US Navy without accurate US Navel items. I would like to see actual time period Rank/Ratings, Medals, Ribbons and badges on a correct uniform. __________________ Specter

09-08-07, 08:39 AM	#245
Sagal92 Nub Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Not SH this time They should make destroyer command 2 with Cls and CAs and maybe some BBs too^^ I would love to drive Admiral Graf Spee or Yamato or Warspite...

09-25-07, 01:53 AM	#252
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	World War 1 and before? > I think a Great War ( First World War ) submarine simulation would be the best. But with the gameplay and feeling of the SH3 and SH4. (GWX like, if only that could be done) Even go a little before that, the 1900 submarines, U-1 (with her single torp tube), the Holland boats. All manual targeting, seeing as they didn't have much in the way of TDCs yet. A challange to operate, only 50m crush depths on early models, something very different than your ww2 sub sim. And look on the bright side, No real ASDIC until the very close of the war. (Even then it really didn't do much at all)

09-05-07, 05:27 AM	#243
tomagabriel Machinist's Mate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 122 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 3	" Atlantic Ocean - A lone South African submarine has left some North Atlantic Treaty Organisation commanders with red faces Tuesday as it "sank" all the ships of the Nato Maritime Group engaged in exercises with the SA Navy off the Cape Coast. The S101 - or the SAS Manthatisi - not only evaded detection by a joint Nato and SA Navy search party, consisting of several ships combing the search area with radar and sonar; it also sank all the ships taking part in the fleet. At several times during the exercise that lasted throughout Monday night and Tuesday morning a red square lit up the screens where the surface ships thought the submarine was. but it remained elusive. ... " I've just run into this and thought it is a nice example of non-nuclear(bombs) modern kind of situation. Isn't it sweet? Hm... all of the suudden I feel the urge to clasify some contacts... :hmm:

09-22-07, 08:02 PM	#247
Frostyvegi A-ganger Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 78 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Cold-Ware era sub game that needs ideas to make it more fun and 'entertaining'? Just get Tom Clancy on the storyboard side of the dev team and he'll come up with senarios and ideas for sub-sub or any naval warfare you can dream of. If just reading something like The Hunt for Red October can get my heart rate up.. putting it into a game would make it so much more intense..

09-23-07, 07:53 AM	#249
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I say stick with ww2, much more interesting and plenty of situations to choose from, cold war, not really anything you could do, it was not a hot war, and with misils and all that technolodgy, what fun will that be, stay with ww2.

09-23-07, 08:52 AM	#250
thyro Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: on a rock surrounded by water, that people call it UK Posts: 473 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Cold War ... ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz great theme... ZZZzzz few nice rusty subs ... but ZZZZZzzzzzzzz no action.... But how about China invade "made in T*n", US gets involved to protect "made in T*n". The rest of the world follows into the dark era of WWIII where China is the superpower. Or NCorea launchs a missile, it lands in Jap... Jap retaliate, SCorea is invated by NC... US is called... China gets involved ... voila WWIII rolling. good theme plenty of fictional action and role play. WWI/WWII again?!?! is a bit far too much repetition... unless you add StarTrek Ship landing right in the middle of the conflit to make something interesting and different. BUT above all make a damn good game where player SUBS can be ADDED to the game without much of a pain.

09-25-07, 01:11 AM	#251
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	If there will be a CW-era subsim in someday, I think: 1. It should be not messed with SH-serie, even this serie might be the best known/best selling subsim ever. 2. The new sim should be a shooting game. Tracking the boomers and other typical CW-missions are ok for a mission or two, but for a campaign they are just not enough. 3. Time frame for a campaign should be somewhere between 2-6 years and the specific CW-era should be considered with care before choosing. Early CW years could be easiest, for both scenarion building and weapon data. I'm pretty sure next few years we'll see new archives to be open for a research. However, I doubt UBI would be interested in to do a huge back ground work the new CW-subsim would need. Both campaign building and collecting weapon data would ask alot of work. Greetings, -RC-

09-25-07, 05:55 PM	#253
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SH5 cold war setup Personally, I would also like to play british, french and german subs (conventional subs, for the fun of recharging batteries :-) ) It would be much fun to play part in a campaign like in "red storm rising" on either side!

09-25-07, 06:23 PM	#254
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Mybe go in a totaly diferent direction, SH$ gfx engine, for a surface ship game, with the ability for sub warfair as well, or maybe a add on for SH4. anything is beter than CW era game. ww2 awlways __________________

09-26-07, 06:52 AM	#255
chripsch Seaman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	What about with WWI for SH5??? With different navies to choose: - Royal Navy - Imperial German Navy - Imperial KuK Navy - Imperial Russian Navy - Royal Italian Navy - French Navy What do you think about?? Christian