[REL] Trigger Maru 1.7.6 (Updated 24Jan08) - Page 52

Ducimus · 08-31-07, 02:09 PM

After spending all damn week one single file, i have to say, phhhhhttt im done... errr.. no im not done.. ive done all that im going to do.

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/TMARU-Patch_1.6.2.7z
(202KB)

This patch addreses two things:

- enviormentals that bugged me. scene.dat, smoke, and the like.

- Improved sinking mechanics.

Theres always soemthign else to do, i thought about retuching the sim.cfg to make night surface attacks eaiser, but people really do not need me to tweak a single variable for them. That, and i dont have the time to properly test it to make sure its not screwing over the AI visuals.

donut · 08-31-07, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Now, in my opinion, the reason for sinking mechanics mods is twofold:
1.) to make ships sink more realistically
2.) to make ships harder to sink, with the overall bottom-line intent, to reduce tonnage.

Reducing tonnage to more realistic levels has always been one of my intents,

Ive about got this thing wrapped up, and so far test results are looking great. Some people will love this, some will hate it, i can't please everybody.

Thxs.,for allowing casual gamers/Pansy's, the ability to reverse engineer,now that we have reached GWX tonnage limits. This is just a game,& tonnage is reward/fun,so sink somting:rotfl:

ReallyDedPoet · 08-31-07, 02:11 PM

Thanks Ducimus, and on a Friday at that

RDP

holtzbr · 08-31-07, 02:14 PM

Now go sink some ships.

Ducimus · 08-31-07, 02:24 PM

My adhoc documentation on the improved sinking mechanics.

The primary thing that ive done, was adjust hitpoints, and critical flotation.

Hitpoints for most compartments is 240 hit points now. Critical flotation on many compartments was changed from 0.0, to 0.3, and in some places 0.1 or 0.2

In general, how damage is applied is this.
The game takes the critical flotation as a percentage, and mulitpies that against a compartments hitpoints. This equates the minimum damage that must be applied to that compartment in order for it to start to flood.

WHich, in most compartments in TM 1.6.1, means this:
240 * 0.3 = 72

So at a minimum, 72 points of damage must be applied to a compartment in order for it to start the flood. At 72-73 points of damage, the amount of flooding is mimimual, as for all intents and purposes, it is a small breach. The more damage inflicted past 72 points, the faster it will flood.

Realize that in TM 1.6, most deck gun shells, is as such:
3"/50->HE = 8/20
3"/50-->AP = 6/14
4"/50->HE =12/20
4"/50->AP =10/18

Shell damage can very from 6 and 8 to as much as 20. So to start flooding, you'll have to shoot as many as 9 shells, or as few as 4 shells into a compartment in order for it to START to flood. If you want it to sink faster, you'll have to expend more rounds. Also, keep in mind you'll want to flood mulitple compartments in order to capsize the vessel your firing at. So all told you could spend as many as 20 to 40 shells in order to sink a ship by deck gun fire. Alot depends on the size of the ship as well. NOTE: All deck gun shots must hit BELOW THE WATER LINE in order to flood.

The name of the game, is to sink by flooding, and because ships have compartments, you'll have to be smart about your torpedo placement. All told, for small merchants you'll use 1 torpedo, Medium mercants, 1 to 2 torpedos, large merchants 2 to 3, and in rare cases 4 torpedo's. Destroyers range from 1 to 3 torpedos', and capital warships range from anywhere from 5 to as many as 12 torpedo's.

Also, knowing how damage is applied, id think twice about doing gun duels with a destroyer.

sneekyzeke · 08-31-07, 03:18 PM

Thanks for this and everything else, Mr. Ducimus Sir! Hope to see you from time to time...respect

, Zeke.

tater · 08-31-07, 04:10 PM

I found the aircraft in the middle of the pacific. It's the nagumo force. The force is not actually in the game (I chnaged it to contact report every few hours and it isn;t there), but the CV airgroup IS there.

Presumably this would happen with every single scripted mission with a CV in the campaign. The missions must be allowed to load based on patrol start dates earlier than the battle to account for long patrols (you'd want to see the midway stuff on RTB, right?). The problem is that SH4 seems to load the CV airgroups at the time Campaign.cfg allows the mission to load. It's like the forces are on the map, but invisible, and the airgroups are just there.

tater

Ducimus · 08-31-07, 04:14 PM

tater · 08-31-07, 04:16 PM

This is a stock issue, BTW.

Ducimus · 08-31-07, 04:17 PM

Yeah i figured that. But, now here i went about balancing aircraft attacks based on a bug that allowed planes to be there that shouldnt ahve been there to begiin with.

DOH!

tater · 08-31-07, 04:21 PM

I didn't alter the midway force waypoints, so it will be there with the crappy stock midway, just minus 1 CV (and a not remotely historical force

). The only way aroud this is to have all scripted battles have the TFs spawn places where players won't ever be in range of their air, or so close to japan that all the planes won't seem weird.

The simple solution is to drop the CV air groups to zero. Alternately, if they were 1 plane of each type (elanaiba told me on another forum they are planes, not squadrons), the chances of seeing any would be small---which is why in all my testing I've never seen any, I have mine set to 1 of each plane.

tater

leovampire · 08-31-07, 04:22 PM

change the entrance and exit dates for the scripted planes and put the repeat level to 0 for a quick fix without opening everything up in mission editor.

Ducimus · 08-31-07, 04:25 PM

Too late!

I set my modders hat aside, and hung it on the wall as of this morning.

tater · 08-31-07, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leovampire

change the entrance and exit dates for the scripted planes and put the repeat level to 0 for a quick fix without opening everything up in mission editor.

You mean make a hole in the CV airgroups by date?

The problem is those load at patrol start like everything else. I can make no CVs have planes from 19420131 to 19420530, but if you start a patrol in that range, you'll not see any planes even during the midway battle.

There is no "repeat."

leovampire · 08-31-07, 04:40 PM

send out planes on their own anytime they feel like it but if you script a plane or air group they do what they are told when they are told to do it. So the scripted planes need to be removed just let the carriers do their own thing.

08-31-07, 02:09 PM	#766
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	After spending all damn week one single file, i have to say, phhhhhttt im done... errr.. no im not done.. ive done all that im going to do. http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/TMARU-Patch_1.6.2.7z (202KB) This patch addreses two things: - enviormentals that bugged me. scene.dat, smoke, and the like. - Improved sinking mechanics. Theres always soemthign else to do, i thought about retuching the sim.cfg to make night surface attacks eaiser, but people really do not need me to tweak a single variable for them. That, and i dont have the time to properly test it to make sure its not screwing over the AI visuals. Last edited by Ducimus; 09-01-07 at 01:25 AM.

08-31-07, 02:11 PM	#768
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,887 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Thanks Ducimus, and on a Friday at that RDP __________________ Back in the Day

08-31-07, 02:14 PM	#769
holtzbr Watch Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Much thanks for the work, DR.... Now go sink some ships.

08-31-07, 04:22 PM	#777
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Duciums change the entrance and exit dates for the scripted planes and put the repeat level to 0 for a quick fix without opening everything up in mission editor. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

08-31-07, 04:40 PM	#780
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The carrier's send out planes on their own anytime they feel like it but if you script a plane or air group they do what they are told when they are told to do it. So the scripted planes need to be removed just let the carriers do their own thing. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

08-31-07, 02:24 PM	#770
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	My adhoc documentation on the improved sinking mechanics. The primary thing that ive done, was adjust hitpoints, and critical flotation. Hitpoints for most compartments is 240 hit points now. Critical flotation on many compartments was changed from 0.0, to 0.3, and in some places 0.1 or 0.2 In general, how damage is applied is this. The game takes the critical flotation as a percentage, and mulitpies that against a compartments hitpoints. This equates the minimum damage that must be applied to that compartment in order for it to start to flood. WHich, in most compartments in TM 1.6.1, means this: 240 * 0.3 = 72 So at a minimum, 72 points of damage must be applied to a compartment in order for it to start the flood. At 72-73 points of damage, the amount of flooding is mimimual, as for all intents and purposes, it is a small breach. The more damage inflicted past 72 points, the faster it will flood. Realize that in TM 1.6, most deck gun shells, is as such: 3"/50->HE = 8/20 3"/50-->AP = 6/14 4"/50->HE =12/20 4"/50->AP =10/18 Shell damage can very from 6 and 8 to as much as 20. So to start flooding, you'll have to shoot as many as 9 shells, or as few as 4 shells into a compartment in order for it to START to flood. If you want it to sink faster, you'll have to expend more rounds. Also, keep in mind you'll want to flood mulitple compartments in order to capsize the vessel your firing at. So all told you could spend as many as 20 to 40 shells in order to sink a ship by deck gun fire. Alot depends on the size of the ship as well. NOTE: All deck gun shots must hit BELOW THE WATER LINE in order to flood. The name of the game, is to sink by flooding, and because ships have compartments, you'll have to be smart about your torpedo placement. All told, for small merchants you'll use 1 torpedo, Medium mercants, 1 to 2 torpedos, large merchants 2 to 3, and in rare cases 4 torpedo's. Destroyers range from 1 to 3 torpedos', and capital warships range from anywhere from 5 to as many as 12 torpedo's. Also, knowing how damage is applied, id think twice about doing gun duels with a destroyer.

08-31-07, 03:18 PM	#771
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Thanks for this and everything else, Mr. Ducimus Sir! Hope to see you from time to time...respect , Zeke.

08-31-07, 04:10 PM	#772
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I found the aircraft in the middle of the pacific. It's the nagumo force. The force is not actually in the game (I chnaged it to contact report every few hours and it isn;t there), but the CV airgroup IS there. Presumably this would happen with every single scripted mission with a CV in the campaign. The missions must be allowed to load based on patrol start dates earlier than the battle to account for long patrols (you'd want to see the midway stuff on RTB, right?). The problem is that SH4 seems to load the CV airgroups at the time Campaign.cfg allows the mission to load. It's like the forces are on the map, but invisible, and the airgroups are just there. tater

08-31-07, 04:14 PM	#773
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2

08-31-07, 04:16 PM	#774
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	This is a stock issue, BTW.

08-31-07, 04:17 PM	#775
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah i figured that. But, now here i went about balancing aircraft attacks based on a bug that allowed planes to be there that shouldnt ahve been there to begiin with. DOH!

08-31-07, 04:21 PM	#776
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I didn't alter the midway force waypoints, so it will be there with the crappy stock midway, just minus 1 CV (and a not remotely historical force ). The only way aroud this is to have all scripted battles have the TFs spawn places where players won't ever be in range of their air, or so close to japan that all the planes won't seem weird. The simple solution is to drop the CV air groups to zero. Alternately, if they were 1 plane of each type (elanaiba told me on another forum they are planes, not squadrons), the chances of seeing any would be small---which is why in all my testing I've never seen any, I have mine set to 1 of each plane. tater

08-31-07, 04:25 PM	#778
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Too late! I set my modders hat aside, and hung it on the wall as of this morning.