Enemy A/C south of Midway OR tale of 48 single engine planes 2000 miles from a base

Ducimus · 08-24-07, 05:01 PM

Ill bet i get exact opposite complaints in TM 1.6

tater · 08-24-07, 05:16 PM

Heheh.

The problem with the planes in stock (from CVs) is that since they have such huge range you see a zillion planes, but you could be many hundreds of miles from the CV.

In RL, unless sending a strike out, you'd be lucky to see ANY aircraft as far as 2-300 miles, and those would be strictly recon planes. Even those would be based on likely action with the enemy, not SOP.

Any sort of constant CAP for CVs would be within visual range of the TF. I have thought about BP-cloning the CV planes, and dropping the range to 50nm or so to be "CAP" planes. Course the CAP would need to be reduced to 1 plane (unless it's squadrons, then they all need to be 0, IMO)

Then at least if you saw them, you'd know you were CLOSE.

tater

Ducimus · 08-24-07, 05:18 PM

I still want to know how many planes are considered a squadron since in stock, airbases have like 9 or 10 squadrons of various planes.

tater · 08-24-07, 05:50 PM

Seems like it must be planes, the numbers used on the CVs are VERY close to the actual plane counts on carriers. If they are squadrons, CVs have about 10X too many planes on them. If they are squadrons, the airgroups need to be 2 of each type of plane.

tater

scrag · 08-25-07, 12:36 AM

The weird part was that I started encountering them just outside of Midway - significantly after the Battle of Midway. Then on a line between Midway Island and Hokkaido Japan it looked like frogger (2 planes flying one way and often encountering more flying the opposite direction). BTW the range of the Val was around 915 and the Zero was around a 1000 if the pilot new how to lean the engine appropriatly - something I would not ever expect in an AI as it would be a waste of time here. A Carrier Battle Group???/ Unlikely - never had any contact and the nearest IJN Assets were thousands of miles away. Anyway - based on what I saw and behaviour of the A/C I am wondering if it was a bug.

tater · 08-25-07, 08:01 AM

No, it was a carrier.

One, the game very simply deals with aircraft, they have a radius, and inside that radius it "rolls a die" to see if you encounter any. Once spotted, the die roll is weighted, so you'll see a lot (nevermind that CVs never flew all their planes around at extreme range in a search pattern, lol).

Two, the Val extreme range is set to 750 in stock I think.

The stock missions might be poorly designed, but it's not more complicated than that.

So it's not a "bug" per se, but it is a problem with the game---one that can be modded pretty easily.

tater

Renesisfury · 12-02-07, 11:17 AM

Had the same issue, followed the planes along their return flight path, was not able to find anything, no sound contact or anything else. So if I understand correctly, if the carrier was within Val or Kate range I should have been able to pick them up on my sonar?

08-25-07, 12:36 AM	#5
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I do not think it was a CV The weird part was that I started encountering them just outside of Midway - significantly after the Battle of Midway. Then on a line between Midway Island and Hokkaido Japan it looked like frogger (2 planes flying one way and often encountering more flying the opposite direction). BTW the range of the Val was around 915 and the Zero was around a 1000 if the pilot new how to lean the engine appropriatly - something I would not ever expect in an AI as it would be a waste of time here. A Carrier Battle Group???/ Unlikely - never had any contact and the nearest IJN Assets were thousands of miles away. Anyway - based on what I saw and behaviour of the A/C I am wondering if it was a bug. __________________

08-24-07, 05:01 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Ill bet i get exact opposite complaints in TM 1.6

08-24-07, 05:16 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Heheh. The problem with the planes in stock (from CVs) is that since they have such huge range you see a zillion planes, but you could be many hundreds of miles from the CV. In RL, unless sending a strike out, you'd be lucky to see ANY aircraft as far as 2-300 miles, and those would be strictly recon planes. Even those would be based on likely action with the enemy, not SOP. Any sort of constant CAP for CVs would be within visual range of the TF. I have thought about BP-cloning the CV planes, and dropping the range to 50nm or so to be "CAP" planes. Course the CAP would need to be reduced to 1 plane (unless it's squadrons, then they all need to be 0, IMO) Then at least if you saw them, you'd know you were CLOSE. tater

08-24-07, 05:18 PM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I still want to know how many planes are considered a squadron since in stock, airbases have like 9 or 10 squadrons of various planes.

08-24-07, 05:50 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Seems like it must be planes, the numbers used on the CVs are VERY close to the actual plane counts on carriers. If they are squadrons, CVs have about 10X too many planes on them. If they are squadrons, the airgroups need to be 2 of each type of plane. tater

08-25-07, 08:01 AM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	No, it was a carrier. One, the game very simply deals with aircraft, they have a radius, and inside that radius it "rolls a die" to see if you encounter any. Once spotted, the die roll is weighted, so you'll see a lot (nevermind that CVs never flew all their planes around at extreme range in a search pattern, lol). Two, the Val extreme range is set to 750 in stock I think. The stock missions might be poorly designed, but it's not more complicated than that. So it's not a "bug" per se, but it is a problem with the game---one that can be modded pretty easily. tater

12-02-07, 11:17 AM	#7
Renesisfury Mate Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 55 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Had the same issue, followed the planes along their return flight path, was not able to find anything, no sound contact or anything else. So if I understand correctly, if the carrier was within Val or Kate range I should have been able to pick them up on my sonar?