A scenario - Page 2

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 12:42 PM

A more realistic view of the scenario.

The collision with the tanker

The ship starting to roll over.

Sailor Steve · 08-18-07, 12:42 PM

No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two.

Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened.

A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition.

sunvalleyslim · 08-18-07, 02:52 PM

I agree with you Sailor Steve. After all crew and passengers are off your Ship, you have fulfilled your obligation as Capt. No need to go with the Ship....................RIP

geetrue · 08-18-07, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

My personal view is this,

As soon as collission has ended ie the other ship has pulled away i would send out distress calls, i would get the surviving passengers and crew to the life boat decks in full survival gear and be ready to abandon ship.

I would then personally go along with the first officer and two engineers to assess the damage to the ship if they said, no she is a total loss she is going down i would then order abandon ship, i would make absolutly sure every single person alive on that ship was in a life boat.

I would then return to the bridge get all the navigational charts and logs and hand them to my first officer, i would then return to the bridge and go down with her.

Perhaps I've watched too many movies, but I would do the same ...

I'm a romantic person ... when I left my last boat the USS Sam Houston SSBN 609 blue crew ...

I went to the conn and took once last look around, touched everything and said good-bye old friend.

That picture is still in me ... I love ships.

kiwi_2005 · 08-18-07, 05:11 PM

I would make sure everyones off the ship and in lifeboats. Woman and children first in lifeboats, then the blokes and last me the captain to leave the ship.

I would NOT go down with the ship... (the ship is not going to be terribly upset if i dont go down with her)

I chose the 3rd one, its hard to say unless put in that situation, if their were still ppl onboard where say they were trapped in an airpocket but we couldn't rescue them, then trying to think in a captains situation i think i would go down with them... otherwise i would have a guilt trip to live with the rest of my life, if i left them to die.

Biggles · 08-18-07, 05:44 PM

If possible, last one off, but I'm not going down under.

Kapitan · 08-19-07, 08:05 AM

Do you think your life is worth more than the next paying passenger ?

The Avon Lady · 08-19-07, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Do you think your life is worth more than the next paying passenger ?

What if it was by credit card in 12 installments? :hmm:

Heibges · 08-19-07, 03:30 PM

Modern Cruise ships have lifeboats for all crew and passangers and extra. On the first day of any cruise you have a lifeboat drill.

If I was captain, I would probably have the knowledge to judge the condition of the ship, or I would as my Chief Engineer.

Skybird · 08-19-07, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

If I was captain, I would probably have the knowledge to judge the condition of the ship, or I would as my Chief Engineer.

Yeah, just tell him to beam you up.

TteFAboB · 08-20-07, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Are cardrivers that survive an accident in which people got killed obligated to kill themselves?

This may seem ridiculously funny at first, but if it's the driver that caused the "accident", that's an option worth contemplating, especially if it's a drunk/otherwise intoxicated driver.

Of course, if you're going to kill yourself, go volunteer to disarm land mines in Africa and die doing something worth our time. Having a death wish will only make your job more effective: just dance around the mine-field or something!

Kapitan · 08-20-07, 03:04 PM

But what about tradition?

Penelope_Grey · 08-20-07, 03:23 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship...

Kapitan · 08-20-07, 04:02 PM

Depends on how you see it, not only tradition but it could be classed as heroic, patriotism, some one who has balls the size of church bells, and honour

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 08-20-07, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship...

colonialism is a tradition ?

there is one tradition wich is still going on from the stone age and will be till there is only 1 person on the world. and that one is called war.

View Poll Results: Would you go down with the ship
Yes as master of the ship its my duty to sail her to the last	5	15.15%
No she is not worth more lives and definatly not worth mine	26	78.79%
I dont know as i would not like to be in that situation	2	6.06%
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08-18-07, 12:42 PM	#16
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	A more realistic view of the scenario. The collision with the tanker The ship starting to roll over. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-18-07, 12:42 PM	#17
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two. Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened. A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-18-07, 02:52 PM	#18
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	I agree with you Sailor Steve. After all crew and passengers are off your Ship, you have fulfilled your obligation as Capt. No need to go with the Ship....................RIP __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

08-18-07, 05:11 PM	#20
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	I would make sure everyones off the ship and in lifeboats. Woman and children first in lifeboats, then the blokes and last me the captain to leave the ship. I would NOT go down with the ship... (the ship is not going to be terribly upset if i dont go down with her) I chose the 3rd one, its hard to say unless put in that situation, if their were still ppl onboard where say they were trapped in an airpocket but we couldn't rescue them, then trying to think in a captains situation i think i would go down with them... otherwise i would have a guilt trip to live with the rest of my life, if i left them to die. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

08-18-07, 05:44 PM	#21
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	If possible, last one off, but I'm not going down under. __________________

08-19-07, 08:05 AM	#22
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Do you think your life is worth more than the next paying passenger ? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-19-07, 03:30 PM	#24
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Modern Cruise ships have lifeboats for all crew and passangers and extra. On the first day of any cruise you have a lifeboat drill. If I was captain, I would probably have the knowledge to judge the condition of the ship, or I would as my Chief Engineer. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

08-20-07, 03:04 PM	#27
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	But what about tradition? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-20-07, 03:23 PM	#28
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not to put too fine a point on it, some traditions are best left in the past where they belong, like slavery, colonialism, and going down with your ship... __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

08-20-07, 04:02 PM	#29
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Depends on how you see it, not only tradition but it could be classed as heroic, patriotism, some one who has balls the size of church bells, and honour __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/