A scenario

sunvalleyslim · 08-18-07, 11:41 AM

I'm sorry Penelope but your answer suggests that your life is more important than some of your passengers. Who do you leave behind, women, children, elderly, or the disabled? Are they not also your responsibilty? You are the Captain of the Ship, You are also responsible for this castatrophe. Two ships cannot collide without each party being responsible. That responsibilty remains solely yours. If you leave the Ship with people aboard needing rescueing, your fate at the Board of Inquiry will indeed be sealed. And you would never command another ship again........Just merely my opinion

Penelope_Grey · 08-18-07, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

I'm sorry Penelope but your answer suggests that your life is more important than some of your passengers. Who do you leave behind, women, children, elderly, or the disabled? Are they not also your responsibilty? You are the Captain of the Ship, You are also responsible for this castatrophe. Two ships cannot collide without each party being responsible. That responsibilty remains solely yours. If you leave the Ship with people aboard needing rescueing, your fate at the Board of Inquiry will indeed be sealed. And you would never command another ship again........Just merely my opinion

That's preferable to death in my opinion.

Looking at it from a cold and purely logical point of view, me gallantly going down with the ship won't save the people on board who didn't get off in time.

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 11:53 AM

Not to forget the jail term, the captain of the oceanos who abandond ship before his passengers he was convicted of the following:

Gross mis conduct
negligence
Endangering human life
Breaking of multiple international regulations

If she had sunk with one life lost i would say murder as well or manslaughter

Think he got 17 years for that one.

Kapitan · 08-18-07, 12:29 PM

The way i see it is if every person is alive and they get off then i will abandon ship, however if some one has died onboard under my command then as it says in the bible eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, they borded my vessel put thier life in my hands and trusted me not to take that all away from them, and i did therefore it is only right that i too should suffer the same fate by going down with the ship.

Sailor Steve · 08-18-07, 12:42 PM

No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two.

Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened.

A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition.

sunvalleyslim · 08-18-07, 02:52 PM

I agree with you Sailor Steve. After all crew and passengers are off your Ship, you have fulfilled your obligation as Capt. No need to go with the Ship....................RIP

View Poll Results: Would you go down with the ship
Yes as master of the ship its my duty to sail her to the last	5	15.15%
No she is not worth more lives and definatly not worth mine	26	78.79%
I dont know as i would not like to be in that situation	2	6.06%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

08-18-07, 11:41 AM	#1
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	I'm sorry Penelope but your answer suggests that your life is more important than some of your passengers. Who do you leave behind, women, children, elderly, or the disabled? Are they not also your responsibilty? You are the Captain of the Ship, You are also responsible for this castatrophe. Two ships cannot collide without each party being responsible. That responsibilty remains solely yours. If you leave the Ship with people aboard needing rescueing, your fate at the Board of Inquiry will indeed be sealed. And you would never command another ship again........Just merely my opinion __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

08-18-07, 11:53 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Not to forget the jail term, the captain of the oceanos who abandond ship before his passengers he was convicted of the following: Gross mis conduct negligence Endangering human life Breaking of multiple international regulations If she had sunk with one life lost i would say murder as well or manslaughter Think he got 17 years for that one. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-18-07, 12:29 PM	#4
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The way i see it is if every person is alive and they get off then i will abandon ship, however if some one has died onboard under my command then as it says in the bible eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, they borded my vessel put thier life in my hands and trusted me not to take that all away from them, and i did therefore it is only right that i too should suffer the same fate by going down with the ship. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-18-07, 12:42 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No. The captain's duty is to his crew and passengers, not to the ship itself. If people died in the accident, dying along with them will do no one any good. If people are trapped below, then by all means your duty is to stay aboard until they are rescued, and if they can't be then keep trying, even if it means dying with them. I see a huge difference in the two. Did Dick O'Kane go down with Tang? Yes, Captain Smith chose to go down with Titanic (or did he?), but he was at the end of a long and perfect career, and may have felt a heavy responsibility for what happened. A lot depends on circumstances, but in general I'd say no, it is not your responsibility to die just for the sake of tradition. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-18-07, 02:52 PM	#6
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	I agree with you Sailor Steve. After all crew and passengers are off your Ship, you have fulfilled your obligation as Capt. No need to go with the Ship....................RIP __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)