PC north of the border

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

UPDATE: Good luck, Scotland!

There is evidence that they are to busy making fools of themselves.

'Fly Saltire higher - or army has to go'

[Skybird]

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/16309

UPDATE: Good luck, Scotland!

More idiots.

Britain, thy fall is a long and deep one. You are truly going insane. Where's your glory gone? In short a while all world will spit on you for your foolishness.

But don't feel lonely down there. We will follow you soon.

(Sorry, British guys! You know how I mean it, no personal offending or disrespect for your history is meant).

[STEED]

Wake up you dozy mut, Britain needs you.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by STEED

Lock and Load people time to kick PC butt.

Yes. Yes. and more yes. The left-wing PC crowd is like a bunch of insects. Like termites, they are destructive to your home/nation. They tear the foundations of society in the name of "tolerance" and "cultural sensitivity". I would love to see them put in their proper place before the damage is irreversible. You folks in the UK don't have too much time left. We Americans need to learn the lessons from your experiences before our situation is as dire as yours.

[Tchocky]

I believe that words have power to shape and influence the way we think. By using language that is politically correct, that is, calculated not to cause offense, we can present an image that is inclusive and respectful.
By not using the words n*gger, queer, kike etc, I am giving out a signal, albeit a weak one, that I am not prejudiced. Courtesy, in other words.
Obviously there are extreme cases which cloud the picture, where people go too far. our litigious society doesn't help matters here. They also make the idea of respect easy to condemn, insult, and jeer.
I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

You miss the whole point here. Usually the PC crowd has no intentions of actually fostering an environment where there is "respect", "courtesy", or any type of mutual understanding. What they seek is the destruction of the values of the majority native population. Like the article says above, native UK'ers shouldn't be allowed to eat at their own choosing because they might offend a few Muslims. And this is only one of countless stories. What about Muslim tolerance for the values of their hosts? What about that, PC crowd? That's what I'm interested in.

I personally don't care who's offended by what I do or say. Screw em'. If they can't handle freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion, then they are in the wrong nation. They are simply incompatible with a free nation. Time to go home to your Muslim nation where Ramadan is the order of the day. And yes, I think that lefty PC people are also incompatible with a free society considering it is people's free thoughts, behaviors, and values they seek to change. That is not freedom. It is tyranny. Time for them to go also. What they seek is destructive to the very foundations of my nation. That being freedom.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I believe that words have power to shape and influence the way we think. By using language that is politically correct, that is, calculated not to cause offense, we can present an image that is inclusive and respectful.
By not using the words n*gger, queer, kike etc, I am giving out a signal, albeit a weak one, that I am not prejudiced. Courtesy, in other words.
Obviously there are extreme cases which cloud the picture, where people go too far. our litigious society doesn't help matters here. They also make the idea of respect easy to condemn, insult, and jeer.
I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

All nice as well. Just doesn't answer this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

And who said that this respect you think that does not damage your home - is mutual...?

What quote by Thomas Mann did AL give some months ago? "Tolerance of evil is a crime."

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

Ahh. This is the essence of PC thought as I've seen it. The key word you use here is "truth". What you say here Skybird, I agree with. My own thoughts concerning what PC thought truly is, it is a blindfold and earplugs that PC people/socialists/lefties use so they don't have to be subjected to the truths of the world. If they can stop you from saying certain things, or thinking certain things then they have succeeded in altering your society in an incredibly radical way.

And here in America, the PC crowd is trying to change the language radically and in an intellectually dishonest way. If you want border enforcement, a stable immigration process, assimilation, English immersion, and medical screening for immigrants entering the country....then you must be anti-immigrant. You must be a hater of 3rd world people. This is a very destructive tactic as it enables the current problems to worsen. And the problems will eventually lead to the unthinkable. The PC crowd is truly destructive to my nation in this regard as well. In Europe, they seem to be telling you that if you don't change your ways to the standards of the Muslim community, then YOU are the ones causing the problems. Just sick. Absolutely bass-ackwards.

The PC movement has always been about controlling minds. From the earliest age people are subjected to an onslaught of half truths and spin.

Very dangerous it is.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You miss the whole point here. Usually the PC crowd has no intentions of actually fostering an environment where there is "respect", "courtesy", or any type of mutual understanding. What they seek is the destruction of the values of the majority native population.

Would you care to expand on this? I don't really understand how it works against native values, whatever they might be. It certainly doesn't work against a culture of fairness or equity.

Like the article says above, native UK'ers shouldn't be allowed to eat at their own choosing because they might offend a few Muslims. And this is only one of countless stories. What about Muslim tolerance for the values of their hosts? What about that, PC crowd? That's what I'm interested in.

Um, most of the Muslims in Britain are citizens, as far as I know.
Also, having lunch at your desk isn't a real core value?
But, this story is fundamentally ridiculous, and displays a great misunderstanding of the issue, as many here have pointed out. It's at the wacky end of the idea of PC and shouldn't, in my view, be used as an argument against. It's not an indictment of the entire idea.

I personally don't care who's offended by what I do or say. Screw em'. If they can't handle freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion, then they are in the wrong nation. They are simply incompatible with a free nation.

Anyone who gets offended by language is incompatible with a free nation?
Or wait, anyone who is offended by any action is incompatible with a free society?
Just because you don't care does not mean that no-one does. And respect for the feelings of others is a mark of civilisation. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, and all that.

Time to go home to your Muslim nation where Ramadan is the order of the day. And yes, I think that lefty PC people are also incompatible with a free society considering it is people's free thoughts, behaviors, and values they seek to change. That is not freedom. It is left-wing tyranny. Time for them to go also.

Not every Muslim is from outside the US
You've also got a very odd idea of a free society. And what is or is not "left-wing".

Originally Posted by Skybird

All nice as well. Just doesn't answer this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

It doesn't answer that of course. But neither should there be no tolerance, you know, just in case a Real Evil slips through. What is and is not tolerated is where politics, justice, and morality happen.
The truth? Now there's an alien concept.

And who said that this respect you think that does not damage your home - is mutual...?

Erm, nobody said that. That we respect each other is a trait that not everyone follows. However, it seems that most people in at least my society, believe in treating one another with respect and decency. Mutual. Do unto others, etc. If that spells the end of my society.....sorry guys i just can't follow that.
Tolerating others does not mean tolerating everything.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And here in America, the PC crowd is trying to change the language radically and in an intellectually dishonest way. If you want border enforcement, a stable immigration process, assimilation, English immersion, and medical screening for immigrants entering the country....then you must be anti-immigrant. You must be a hater of 3rd world people.

No, I think this is the nasty trap of believing the worst about your opponents, and taking their extremes as centrist. You know, the same way every Republican is a Nazi and the Dems are nothing but a bunch of dope-smoking hippy communists.

In Europe, they seem to be telling you that if you don't change your ways to the standards of the Muslim community, then YOU are the ones causing the problems.

I don't see any changes to Muslim standards. I see changes made to accommodate other religions, but that's different.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't see any changes to Muslim standards. I see changes made to accommodate other religions, but that's different.

Personally, I believe this "accomodation" has gone a bit to far. Co-worker of mine just got back from Bahrain. I inquired about this and said the holy month he could not eat or smoke at his deck. Some other things as well. But, he was in the heart of the country that observes this so he did as the Romans would do. He certainly did not drag out his Christmas tree and hang a stocking on his desk on the 25th of December. He respected their culture and did not attempt to impose his beliefs in the name of tolerance or otherwise. He spent two years there. I'm sorry, but I'm a firm believer in assimulating with the culture as best one can without asking them to change their behavoir to suit mine.

[Sea Demon]

Tchocky, I think you're wrapping yourself a little around the axle too much. It's really alot simpler than you think. What I ask is quite simple. Where is the tolerance for the majority population in this regard? Why should anyone have to change their eating habits/places to accomodate someone's religion? This is just stupid. Where does it end? Personally I don't think it does, and that has been clearly demonstrated. And the fact that you can't see it, show's me that going on a "back-and-forth" with you is futile. And I think most would heartily disagree with you.

But I will tell you what works against my native values since you mentioned it. I'm totally against someone forcing me to stop eating at a location just to accomodate somebody else's beliefs. I'm against somebody telling me that if I just referred to God as "Allah", that would create peace with the Muslim communities? I don't believe it would. And it totally goes against my own religious values and teachings. I'm against the killing or harrassment of a fellow citizen who draws a political cartoon depicting the prophet muhammed. That goes against my native values. It also goes against my native values to plot and succeed in planting bombs on airplanes or buses. You know, the places where innocent women and children may be. How about crashing airplanes into buildings? I can think of much more. But the most important of these is that it goes against my native values not to be able to point any of it out, lest I offend a PC practitioner. These people are typically left-wingers. Lets not kid ourselves here.

And yes, they are incompatible with freedom due to their desires to change the language to support their own political beliefs. They do not seek mutual respect in most cases. They seek to change the way the majority population thinks, acts, and say. If you think they are looking to build a "culture of fairness and equality" you are sadly mistaken. This story is literally the tip of the iceberg. There should be no changes to accomodate anyone's religion. Just build your mosque, go there and shut up. And try not to kill any infidels on your way there. No, you can't have taxpayer funded footbaths at airports. It's not a mosque. Yes, I will eat at my desk at lunch, I don't observe Ramadan. Yes, I will enjoy political cartoons depicting Muhammed. It's a free country. Yes, I will heavily criticize the Muslim community for getting outraged over these cartoons, yet apparently have no concern over Muslims who behead innocent civilians. I have free thought and speech. If you can't handle it, time to go. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.... This is not about accomodation or understanding. It is about forcing a change so somebody (a weak minded individual mind you) else isn't offended. Who the hell is accomodating me????

[Sea Demon]

Here's a nice little read:

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php...n-usa/?print=1

[AVGWarhawk]

Why should anyone have to change their eating habits/places to accomodate someone's religion? This is just stupid. Where does it end?

I'm with you on this issue. It would seem that a few select groups are constantly getting 'accomodated'. Mean while, the rest are to just grin and bare it. Forget it, tired of grinning and baring it. If the month is holy then take the month off without pay, go home and fast. End of story. If said person who observes this month can not afford to take off, then enjoy your lunch hour outside. Is there any reason the entire office has to leave so the one does not have to see them eating? Pure rubbish.


BTW, play nice

[Tchocky]

I'm a bit surprised, actually.
You've managed to jump from an absurd lunchtime rule to 9/11, suicide bombing and asking Muslims to "try not to kill any infidels on your way" to a mosque.