PC north of the border

[Tchocky]

Wait, how is Diana involved in this one?

[SUBMAN1]

Seems to me that you are going to need your guns back at some point...

-S

[STEED]

Lock and Load people time to kick PC butt.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by STEED

Lock and Load people time to kick PC butt.

Yes. Yes. and more yes. The left-wing PC crowd is like a bunch of insects. Like termites, they are destructive to your home/nation. They tear the foundations of society in the name of "tolerance" and "cultural sensitivity". I would love to see them put in their proper place before the damage is irreversible. You folks in the UK don't have too much time left. We Americans need to learn the lessons from your experiences before our situation is as dire as yours.

[Tchocky]

I believe that words have power to shape and influence the way we think. By using language that is politically correct, that is, calculated not to cause offense, we can present an image that is inclusive and respectful.
By not using the words n*gger, queer, kike etc, I am giving out a signal, albeit a weak one, that I am not prejudiced. Courtesy, in other words.
Obviously there are extreme cases which cloud the picture, where people go too far. our litigious society doesn't help matters here. They also make the idea of respect easy to condemn, insult, and jeer.
I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

You miss the whole point here. Usually the PC crowd has no intentions of actually fostering an environment where there is "respect", "courtesy", or any type of mutual understanding. What they seek is the destruction of the values of the majority native population. Like the article says above, native UK'ers shouldn't be allowed to eat at their own choosing because they might offend a few Muslims. And this is only one of countless stories. What about Muslim tolerance for the values of their hosts? What about that, PC crowd? That's what I'm interested in.

I personally don't care who's offended by what I do or say. Screw em'. If they can't handle freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion, then they are in the wrong nation. They are simply incompatible with a free nation. Time to go home to your Muslim nation where Ramadan is the order of the day. And yes, I think that lefty PC people are also incompatible with a free society considering it is people's free thoughts, behaviors, and values they seek to change. That is not freedom. It is tyranny. Time for them to go also. What they seek is destructive to the very foundations of my nation. That being freedom.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You miss the whole point here. Usually the PC crowd has no intentions of actually fostering an environment where there is "respect", "courtesy", or any type of mutual understanding. What they seek is the destruction of the values of the majority native population.

Would you care to expand on this? I don't really understand how it works against native values, whatever they might be. It certainly doesn't work against a culture of fairness or equity.

Like the article says above, native UK'ers shouldn't be allowed to eat at their own choosing because they might offend a few Muslims. And this is only one of countless stories. What about Muslim tolerance for the values of their hosts? What about that, PC crowd? That's what I'm interested in.

Um, most of the Muslims in Britain are citizens, as far as I know.
Also, having lunch at your desk isn't a real core value?
But, this story is fundamentally ridiculous, and displays a great misunderstanding of the issue, as many here have pointed out. It's at the wacky end of the idea of PC and shouldn't, in my view, be used as an argument against. It's not an indictment of the entire idea.

I personally don't care who's offended by what I do or say. Screw em'. If they can't handle freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion, then they are in the wrong nation. They are simply incompatible with a free nation.

Anyone who gets offended by language is incompatible with a free nation?
Or wait, anyone who is offended by any action is incompatible with a free society?
Just because you don't care does not mean that no-one does. And respect for the feelings of others is a mark of civilisation. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, and all that.

Time to go home to your Muslim nation where Ramadan is the order of the day. And yes, I think that lefty PC people are also incompatible with a free society considering it is people's free thoughts, behaviors, and values they seek to change. That is not freedom. It is left-wing tyranny. Time for them to go also.

Not every Muslim is from outside the US
You've also got a very odd idea of a free society. And what is or is not "left-wing".

Originally Posted by Skybird

All nice as well. Just doesn't answer this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

It doesn't answer that of course. But neither should there be no tolerance, you know, just in case a Real Evil slips through. What is and is not tolerated is where politics, justice, and morality happen.
The truth? Now there's an alien concept.

And who said that this respect you think that does not damage your home - is mutual...?

Erm, nobody said that. That we respect each other is a trait that not everyone follows. However, it seems that most people in at least my society, believe in treating one another with respect and decency. Mutual. Do unto others, etc. If that spells the end of my society.....sorry guys i just can't follow that.
Tolerating others does not mean tolerating everything.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And here in America, the PC crowd is trying to change the language radically and in an intellectually dishonest way. If you want border enforcement, a stable immigration process, assimilation, English immersion, and medical screening for immigrants entering the country....then you must be anti-immigrant. You must be a hater of 3rd world people.

No, I think this is the nasty trap of believing the worst about your opponents, and taking their extremes as centrist. You know, the same way every Republican is a Nazi and the Dems are nothing but a bunch of dope-smoking hippy communists.

In Europe, they seem to be telling you that if you don't change your ways to the standards of the Muslim community, then YOU are the ones causing the problems.

I don't see any changes to Muslim standards. I see changes made to accommodate other religions, but that's different.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I believe that words have power to shape and influence the way we think. By using language that is politically correct, that is, calculated not to cause offense, we can present an image that is inclusive and respectful.
By not using the words n*gger, queer, kike etc, I am giving out a signal, albeit a weak one, that I am not prejudiced. Courtesy, in other words.
Obviously there are extreme cases which cloud the picture, where people go too far. our litigious society doesn't help matters here. They also make the idea of respect easy to condemn, insult, and jeer.
I'm finding it hard to imagine mutual respect for each other being destructive to my home.
Respect and courtesy, how very virulent.

All nice as well. Just doesn't answer this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

And who said that this respect you think that does not damage your home - is mutual...?

What quote by Thomas Mann did AL give some months ago? "Tolerance of evil is a crime."

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

this most important question if really all and every BS must necessarily be tolerated and honoured by not saying the truth about it.

Ahh. This is the essence of PC thought as I've seen it. The key word you use here is "truth". What you say here Skybird, I agree with. My own thoughts concerning what PC thought truly is, it is a blindfold and earplugs that PC people/socialists/lefties use so they don't have to be subjected to the truths of the world. If they can stop you from saying certain things, or thinking certain things then they have succeeded in altering your society in an incredibly radical way.

And here in America, the PC crowd is trying to change the language radically and in an intellectually dishonest way. If you want border enforcement, a stable immigration process, assimilation, English immersion, and medical screening for immigrants entering the country....then you must be anti-immigrant. You must be a hater of 3rd world people. This is a very destructive tactic as it enables the current problems to worsen. And the problems will eventually lead to the unthinkable. The PC crowd is truly destructive to my nation in this regard as well. In Europe, they seem to be telling you that if you don't change your ways to the standards of the Muslim community, then YOU are the ones causing the problems. Just sick. Absolutely bass-ackwards.