Interesting Question

danurve · 08-08-07, 10:18 AM

Funny to read about the games AI tieing knots on itself

KeptinCranky · 08-08-07, 12:59 PM

:rotfl:That's quite an exploit, won't happen often but so worth it, you could even try the same thing with Liberty Cargos, those also severely outgun a DD and could play merry hell by suddenly going postal on an unsuspecting convoy

:hmm: however,
I don't think any Battleship in a hostile convoy escorted by British Warships would technically be neutral, American or not...

Any U-boat captain would have at least shot 1 eel at it in a situation like that, Sink the big tub and let the lawyers sort out the legality of it, one less battleship is always good, shame it wasn't an Essex class carrier though

I'll keep saying it BBs do not belong in the middle of convoys going less than 10 knots, that's just asking to get sunk, so that's what I'll do if given half a chance

edit: Stierlitz, nope, sorry, It's not about whoever fired first taking the blame, unfortunately, that way you could deckgun an american fishing boat for only a minor penalty and the sink a few American passenger liners or maybe a Taskforce and not only get away with it but get a huge reward. I don't think the Fuhrer would appreciate you dragging the US into the war in say early 1940, it'd probably mean a nice show trial and a firing squad instead of medals and drinks on the house....

Tom · 08-08-07, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

I'll keep saying it BBs do not belong in the middle of convoys going less than 10 knots, that's just asking to get sunk, so that's what I'll do if given half a chance

I like them there. U-99 just bumped into an inbound convoy on July 30th, 1940, northwest of Ireland. Visibility was bad (heavy rain, heavy fog), and after I shot all my torpedoes at 2 tankers in front of me and 1 medium freighter behind me (the first good targets I could see), the next ship I saw was the Rodney.

After some depth charge evasion, running around the convoy on the surface reloading tubes, only to find out it changed course, catching up with it again, I made another submerged approach, and found the Rodney steaming nicely straight ahead in the exact same position in the convoy. How considerate of her.

15 minutes later she joined her sistership Nelson (U-99's big score during operation Hartmut) on the bottom of the Atlantic with 4 torpedo holes in her port side.

Stierlitz · 08-09-07, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

edit: Stierlitz, nope, sorry, It's not about whoever fired first taking the blame, unfortunately, that way you could deckgun an american fishing boat for only a minor penalty and the sink a few American passenger liners or maybe a Taskforce and not only get away with it but get a huge reward. I don't think the Fuhrer would appreciate you dragging the US into the war in say early 1940, it'd probably mean a nice show trial and a firing squad instead of medals and drinks on the house....

Thanks for the answer, but it doesn't satisfy me at all.
Let the Fuhrer be the Fuhrer, and let his firing squads go "bang bang".

I wanted to know how this is handled technically.

Maybe I should give you a better example:

On the 12.12.1939 (or whatever, before the USA joined in), 06:00 hrs, I attack a lone american merchant (neutral). I get the penalty for sinking a neutral unit and all american ships turn hostile on me for 24 hrs (thus becoming my ENEMIES).
Let's say that 5 hours later another american merchant crosses my path. This time yet, the unit is my ENEMY.

Does sinking THIS unit give me renown just like sinking an enemy unit usually does?

KeptinCranky · 08-09-07, 05:11 AM

No, unfortunately. the merchant will still count as neutral, they only see you as hostile, that does not mean you should consider them enemy ships, even though they may attack you if capable of doing so, the game engine counts them as neutrals anyway, so no renown for sinking them

Jimbuna · 08-09-07, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

No, unfortunately. the merchant will still count as neutral, they only see you as hostile, that does not mean you should consider them enemy ships, even though they may attack you if capable of doing so, the game engine counts them as neutrals anyway, so no renown for sinking them

Precisely

Stierlitz · 08-09-07, 06:41 AM

Damn. Thought I'd "accidentally" wreck an american fishing boat and then act in self defence...

CapZap1970 · 08-09-07, 01:03 PM

Very nice discovery....

CapZap

08-08-07, 10:18 AM	#1
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Funny to read about the games AI tieing knots on itself __________________

08-09-07, 01:03 PM	#8
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 277 Uploads: 51	Very nice discovery.... CapZap __________________

08-08-07, 12:59 PM	#2
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	:rotfl:That's quite an exploit, won't happen often but so worth it, you could even try the same thing with Liberty Cargos, those also severely outgun a DD and could play merry hell by suddenly going postal on an unsuspecting convoy :hmm: however, I don't think any Battleship in a hostile convoy escorted by British Warships would technically be neutral, American or not... Any U-boat captain would have at least shot 1 eel at it in a situation like that, Sink the big tub and let the lawyers sort out the legality of it, one less battleship is always good, shame it wasn't an Essex class carrier though I'll keep saying it BBs do not belong in the middle of convoys going less than 10 knots, that's just asking to get sunk, so that's what I'll do if given half a chance edit: Stierlitz, nope, sorry, It's not about whoever fired first taking the blame, unfortunately, that way you could deckgun an american fishing boat for only a minor penalty and the sink a few American passenger liners or maybe a Taskforce and not only get away with it but get a huge reward. I don't think the Fuhrer would appreciate you dragging the US into the war in say early 1940, it'd probably mean a nice show trial and a firing squad instead of medals and drinks on the house....

08-09-07, 05:11 AM	#5
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	No, unfortunately. the merchant will still count as neutral, they only see you as hostile, that does not mean you should consider them enemy ships, even though they may attack you if capable of doing so, the game engine counts them as neutrals anyway, so no renown for sinking them

08-09-07, 06:41 AM	#7
Stierlitz Loader Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lurking at PD... Posts: 86 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Damn. Thought I'd "accidentally" wreck an american fishing boat and then act in self defence...