Hiroshima

[Tchocky]

Hiroshima was bombed on 6th August 1945. I know it's seven minutes into the seventh where we are, STEED.

[STEED]

Just wondering why is it Happy?

[Biggles]

I'm sure he didn't mean anything wrong with it, but "happy" is indeed the wrong word. Let us not forget people....Remember Hiroshima...Remember Nagasaki....and let us hope that there will be NO MORE nuclear weapons used in war.

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Biggles

I'm sure he didn't mean anything wrong with it, but "happy" is indeed the wrong word. Let us not forget people....Remember Hiroshima...Remember Nagasaki....and let us hope that there will be NO MORE nuclear weapons used in war.

well before you make statements remember the estimate of how many soldiers would have died in an invasion of japan and the its in the millions it may sound like screwd logic but those two atomic weapons saved many lives

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by micky1up

well before you make statements remember the estimate of how many soldiers would have died in an invasion of japan and the its in the millions it may sound like screwd logic but those two atomic weapons saved many lives

According novadays researches ( check History International) "your" point of view is questionable. In my opinion Truman action(s) is directly in crimes against humanity zone( killing civilians) Very strange logical arguments like they strarted it first and it will save a lot of lives in future.... Anyway Hiroshima had to be bombed and ... Truman had to be in the jail for it!!!!
I am sometimes ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
Why we think that our democracy standards are the best? Now we are ordering serbs to cut part of its country!!! Because it is in their best interests - it is easier to manage in smaller country!!!
America is the most beautiful and just a little bit shameless. Who will control the controllers?
PS
"Comparing to Europe USA have a some lack of culture. Comparing to USA Europe has a lack of civilization."German engineer visiting USA in 1930s.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

According novadays researches ( check History International) "your" point of view is questionable. In my opinion Truman action(s) is directly in crimes against humanity zone( killing civilians) Very strange logical arguments like they strarted it first and it will save a lot of lives in future....
But what done is done. I (as an American ) am sometimes ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
Why we think that our democracy standards are the best? Now we are ordering serbs to cut part of its country!!! Because it is in their best interests - it is easier to manage in smaller country!!!
America is the most beautiful and just a little bit shameless. Who will control the controllers?
PS
"Comparing to Europe USA have a some lack of culture. Comparing to USA Europe has a lack of civilization."German engineer visiting USA in 1930s.

Put it like this. How many Americans died in the invasion of Japan? Thats what it's worth.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Put it like this. How many Americans died in the invasion of Japan? Thats what it's worth.

My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

[Von Tonner]

[quote I (as an American ) am ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
[/quote]

I wonder why your country is the only country in the world that has a lotto on a green card? Why also, are there millions amd millions of people who would give their life (boat people, Mexicans etc, etc) to have a life in the USA. Do not take what you have for granted, do you want to exchange citizenship with a Zimbabwean? Be thankful for what you have got.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

[quote I (as an American ) am ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:

I wonder why your country is the only country in the world that has a lotto on a green card? Why also, are there millions amd millions of people who would give their life (boat people, Mexicans etc, etc) to have a life in the USA. Do not take what you have for granted, do you want to exchange citizenship with a Zimbabwean? Be thankful for what you have got.[/quote]

I m grateful to America for everything it done for me. It s a wonderful country with wonderfull people. I ll protect it against any enemy that will invide. But it is not the BEST in the world!!!!!!!!!!! It has its good side and bad side! Patriotism is to love the country with all its best and worse stuff. And to be patriot doesnt mean to be blind or have hearing problems. Did you ever read Patriotic Act?
And I quote myself:
My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

BEST can mean:
1) is Perfection /or
2) is most outstanding or excellent

[ASWnut101]

My god. I come back from vacation (a short 4 day break), and this crap is still around?

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

According novadays researches ( check History International) "your" point of view is questionable.

Ok. How?

In my opinion Truman action(s) is directly in crimes against humanity zone( killing civilians in mass numbers).

Good god. Crimes agianst humanity? About 36,000,000 (That's 36 MILLION) civilians in the allied countries had died by the end of the war. 36 million. Yet you go on about Truman commiting crimes against humanity?

Let me give you a little course:

In total, about 62 Million people died in the war. According to wikipedia's estimates,

-The allied side (Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill, Kai-shek, and de Gaulle) had ~50 million total dead, with 14 million going to military forces, and the other 36 million going to the civilian death count.

-The axis side (Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito) had ~ 12 million dead, with 8 million going to military units and 4 million to the civilian count.

Now, with those numbers, a ratio can be made between the amount of total civilian deaths (both sides) to the amount of military deaths. The numbers?

22 million troops dead
40 million civilians dead
or,
35.48% military
64.52% civilian


Do you not think that it was in Truman's best intrests to bring the war to a close as quickly as possible? What would you have preferred? Millions more dead?

I (as an American ) am ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL

You (as an American) are pathetic. Do you mind me stabbing an American flag on a sharpened pole through your heart and pinning you to the ground?

"Comparing to Europe USA have a some lack of culture. Comparing to USA Europe as a lack of civilization."German engineer visiting USA in 1930s.

In a country entirely made up of people who trace their ancestory back to tens, if not over a hundred, foreign countries is not a "lack of culture." Compare the cultures of the people in any European country and I can guarentee that the United States of America is more diverse.



I can't belive I even bothered to post here.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

You (as an American) are pathetic. Do you mind me stabbing an American flag on a sharpened pole through your heart and pinning you to the ground?
I can't belive I even bothered to post here.

Sir, I think you are great lover of Patriotic Act.
I m grateful to America for everything it done for me.Including saving life of my father(surgery). It s a wonderful country with wonderfull people. I ll protect it against any enemy that will invide. But it is not the BEST in the world!!!!!!!!!!! This option is not exist!!!If you love your country -so, right it is the best for you, but inside , in heart.
USA has its good side and bad side!Like any other country!!! Patriotism is to love the country with all its best and worse stuff. And to be patriot doesnt mean to be blind or have hearing problems.
PUBLIC LOVE reminds me PORNOGRAPHY! I prefer to love privately like my nephew serving in US Army ( and he understands what real patriotism is).
"BEST in the WORLD" is good for commercial!!!!
"God bless America and no one else" i????????
I understand if you are American you must be an American and one of the greatest american achievements is tolerance and respect to others opinions.
About Hiroshima discussion from Wikipedia
"Eleanor Roosevelt spoke in support of this view when she said, in 1954, that Truman had "made the only decision he could," and that the bomb's use was necessary "to avoid tremendous sacrifice of American lives."[41] Others, including historian Gar Alperovitz, have argued that the use of nuclear weapons was unnecessary and inherently immoral.[42]"

[Letum]

Originally Posted by micky1up

well before you make statements remember the estimate of how many soldiers would have died in an invasion of japan and the its in the millions it may sound like screwd logic but those two atomic weapons saved many lives

You can not save lives by boming people!

You can save lives by not bombing people and not invadeing Japan!

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Letum

You can not save lives by boming people!

You can save lives by not bombing people and not invadeing Japan!

You save your peoples lives by bombing them.

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Letum

You can not save lives by boming people!

You can save lives by not bombing people and not invadeing Japan!

you havent a clue what your saying with the kamakazi mentality that every veteran will tell you about an invasion would have cost millions thats a fact every island taken cost thousands and where defended fanatically the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few

[Letum]

Originally Posted by micky1up

you havent a clue what your saying with the kamakazi mentality that every veteran will tell you about an invasion would have cost millions thats a fact every island taken cost thousands and where defended fanatically the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few

With respect, I know what I am saying, but I think you have misread what I wrote.

An invasion would have been out of the question.

Read what I wrote very carefuly!