[WIP] Historic Crew Names

JScones · 08-06-07, 02:31 AM

Hope you don't mind, I compiled a list of first names for you from the web page you linked, in comma separated format (let me know if you want it any other way)... http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/FirstNames.7z

Took about 10 mins with the right tools.

Will do the surnames if you want too.

The rest is then up to you.

JScones · 08-06-07, 02:49 AM

And surnames... http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/LastNames.7z

That's 3564 first names x 3616 surnames.

Quick and dirty, so you'll need to go through and remove any crap and do some general QA (just noticed a "struck in head" surname still there and a comma after the last first name), but hopefully it will save you some time. All the obvious junk has been removed.

I excluded middle names from the first name list, but can pop them back in if you wish.

Or feel free to discard the lot and continue doing what you are doing.

Enjoy!

LukeFF · 08-06-07, 04:22 PM

Wow, JS! Thanks a bunch!

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Took about 10 mins with the right tools.

What exactly would those be? :hmm:

LukeFF · 08-06-07, 04:42 PM

Grr, now this is frustrating. I just combined those two files together into the proper format for the game, activated it via JSGME, and what do I get? Nothing but blank lines for the crewmember's names.

Could somebody check this file out and see if I've made a mistake somewhere in the file format?

http://files.filefront.com/Historic+.../fileinfo.html

jdkbph · 08-06-07, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

Grr, now this is frustrating. I just combined those two files together into the proper format for the game, activated it via JSGME, and what do I get? Nothing but blank lines for the crewmember's names.

Could somebody check this file out and see if I've made a mistake somewhere in the file format?

http://files.filefront.com/Historic+.../fileinfo.html

I experimented with it a little bit to eliminate some possibilties.

I removed all the ' and . characters as well as the spaces between the multi-part names. I also looked at it in Word and removed all the manual line breaks that don't belong there.

None of these things, by themselves, fixed the problem... but I suspect they still need to be removed in order for the list to work correctly.

Anyway, that brought me to file size or the actual number of names in the lists.

So as a test I deleted most of the surnames from both sections (1 and 2) and that didn't work. Then I tried deleting a bunch of names from each of the 4 sections and hey presto!

So the problem appears to be that there's an upper limit on the number of names that can be in each of the four sections (Names 1 and 2, and Surnames 1 and 2).

I'm not sure exactly what that limit is, but I seem to have got under it when I deleted approximately half the names from each of those sections in your list.

BTW, it seems the devs got the labels backward here. For this to work, you need to put first names under the Surnames= section and last names under the Names= sections.

Go figure.

JD

JScones · 08-06-07, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

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Took about 10 mins with the right tools.

What exactly would those be? :hmm:

Notepad, Excel and Word. Throw in a quick Excel macro, and it's done.

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Originally Posted by jdkbph

Anyway, that brought me to file size or the actual number of names in the lists.

So as a test I deleted most of the surnames from both sections (1 and 2) and that didn't work. Then I tried deleting a bunch of names from each of the 4 sections and hey presto!

So the problem appears to be that there's an upper limit on the number of names that can be in each of the four sections (Names 1 and 2, and Surnames 1 and 2).

I'm not sure exactly what that limit is, but I seem to have got under it when I deleted approximately half the names from each of those sections in your list.

Yep, exactly as I mused above. I had the same problem with SH3Cmdr - the earlier versions of it consisted of merely a comma delimited list of names. I had to re-do it a different way to get around it (not possible here unfortunately without dev support).

You may find the limit is 2047 characters. If you are lucky, it could be as high as 32kb. Trial and error, as you have done, is the best way to find out.

LukeFF · 08-07-07, 01:18 AM

Hmph, so my suspicion that it's the file size is correct. I'm going to have to figure out then, how to go about getting around this limitation.

Frederf · 08-06-07, 04:53 PM

What are the side effects when overwriting values in TM1.4 when applying this mod?

LukeFF · 08-06-07, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frederf

What are the side effects when overwriting values in TM1.4 when applying this mod?

Nothing

And, might I add, this mod is still a WIP and a beta, as I've not got it working correctly yet. I need someone to see if there's a reason why the game isn't generating names properly with this new file.

JScones · 08-06-07, 09:29 PM

Not having SH4 installed, I'm not sure of the file format, but if the list of names is stored comma delimited, like the files I did for you, then you may simply have too many names for SH4 to handle.

As a test, take all but about 20 or so out. If that works, then this will most likely be the problem. Add them back in chunks until it fails.

This is assuming, of course, that your file is set up right to begin with - others can check that possibility first.

08-06-07, 02:49 AM	#2
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	And surnames... http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/LastNames.7z That's 3564 first names x 3616 surnames. Quick and dirty, so you'll need to go through and remove any crap and do some general QA (just noticed a "struck in head" surname still there and a comma after the last first name), but hopefully it will save you some time. All the obvious junk has been removed. I excluded middle names from the first name list, but can pop them back in if you wish. Or feel free to discard the lot and continue doing what you are doing. Enjoy! Last edited by JScones; 08-06-07 at 03:05 AM.

08-06-07, 02:31 AM	#1
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Hope you don't mind, I compiled a list of first names for you from the web page you linked, in comma separated format (let me know if you want it any other way)... http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/FirstNames.7z Took about 10 mins with the right tools. Will do the surnames if you want too. The rest is then up to you.

08-06-07, 04:42 PM	#4
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Grr, now this is frustrating. I just combined those two files together into the proper format for the game, activated it via JSGME, and what do I get? Nothing but blank lines for the crewmember's names. Could somebody check this file out and see if I've made a mistake somewhere in the file format? http://files.filefront.com/Historic+.../fileinfo.html

08-07-07, 01:18 AM	#7
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Hmph, so my suspicion that it's the file size is correct. I'm going to have to figure out then, how to go about getting around this limitation.

08-06-07, 04:53 PM	#8
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	What are the side effects when overwriting values in TM1.4 when applying this mod?

08-06-07, 09:29 PM	#10
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Not having SH4 installed, I'm not sure of the file format, but if the list of names is stored comma delimited, like the files I did for you, then you may simply have too many names for SH4 to handle. As a test, take all but about 20 or so out. If that works, then this will most likely be the problem. Add them back in chunks until it fails. This is assuming, of course, that your file is set up right to begin with - others can check that possibility first.