[REL] A new set of campaign layers - Page 24

tater · 07-30-07, 12:05 PM

Yeah, the contact reports should increase over time, but frankly the way they work is kinda goofy. Real intel was frequently very more specific: COnvoy X will sail on this date and meet escorts at this lat/long. That's the difference between ULTRA and a contact report from a sub.

Reports from aircraft were notoriously poor, locations, but no headings, etc.

I have an idea I'm gonna try to make some better contact reports for you guys.

It'll be a surprise.

The new campaign doesn't alter the basic routes all that much. To the west, they tend to tuck in a little closer to shore than the stock map showed. East of the Philipines, they are grossly different because they were so awful before. They drop down to Palau, some straight from the Empire, some closer tot he air cover of the Philipines. Another group goes down the bonin/marianas line to Truk. Some go from Davao/Palau to Truk. From truk there are branched to the Marshalls, Gilberts, and Rabaul/Kavieng.

BTW, I plan on popping out 0.73 tonight.

WIP 0.73:
I added traffic to the aleutians and kurils, more 43 stuff, a random "Cactus Express," and various tweaks.

A couple new test Patrol Objectives.

I'm going to turn the Dutch Harbor base on (berry's) since there is now actually traffic.

I haven't included Jace11's excellent map labels mod, but I'm using it to make my LOC not replicate anything he's done better. It would be a 100% reccomended addition, basically. I'm trying to stay away from the whole "supermod" thing and keep it modular where possible.

tater

Canonicus · 07-30-07, 01:52 PM

Was wondering .... Of the various tweeks that you mention being included in the new release, might there be one that fixes the CTD problem with the Balikapan and Tokai-Saipan single missions?

07-30-07, 02:11 PM

tater, why didn't you you edit task forces moving at 2-3kts (in EastAsiaCampaign.mis)? :hmm:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115105

Thanks.

tater · 07-30-07, 02:56 PM

I haven't screwed with those scripted missions yet at the level I wanted. they got kind of gutted when I axed the 60+ Akizuki DDs in there. I droped a few of the 1 knot things, and moved them closer to shore. It's still in need of a major rewrite though.

Doing it right is amazingly time consuming because I'd want to start with all the right ships (by name) etc.

tater

tater · 07-30-07, 04:49 PM

I got the 07 and 08 single missions into the new version so if the campaign is loaded, they will still work for you.

All I did was change the minesweeper and subchasers in the .mis file to "type=1" from what they were.

tater

tater · 07-30-07, 04:51 PM

BTW, good point regarding contact reports. I was thinking I might mod the map---the one you see on the table, that is---with the rough shipping routes.

I will also mess around with contact reports some more. When I figure out the triggers, etc, I will have ultras to send you at specific convoys and TFs, too.

tater · 07-30-07, 05:03 PM

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/590Impro...rs%20v0.73.rar

0.73 readme 1st post. I highly reccomend Jace11's map labels. I deleted a few on mine to make room.

The missions might be a problem, be gentle.

tater

Bando · 07-30-07, 05:42 PM

D/l ing, and testing.

Thanks Tater

Jace11 · 07-30-07, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Doing it right is amazingly time consuming

Amen to that...

Forgive them for they know not what they say...

The layers are the last thing I have left, I have only half finished the Burma Jawa layer, thing it its been half finished for months now...

Canonicus · 07-30-07, 06:23 PM

No problems to report on loading of Quick Missions Balikapan and Tokai-Saipan...
They run fine...no CTD's

tater · 07-30-07, 06:24 PM

LOL. Yeah, rereading Willmott, Dull, and Shores to try and figure out how many ships of what type (and name) on what dates, for how long, lol.

tater

Grillkorv · 07-31-07, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

BTW, good point regarding contact reports. I was thinking I might mod the map---the one you see on the table, that is---with the rough shipping routes.

Great, that's exactly what I was thinking, but wasn't sure it was possible.

tater · 07-31-07, 09:19 AM

It's reall not that different from stock, just a little closer to the beach, usually.

<EDIT> I actually moved fewer than I thought. I feel like redoing the entire damn map sometimes.

Maybe after this is finished I'll take all I learned anddo it right.

tater · 07-31-07, 11:03 AM

I'm planning on messing around seriously with some of the mid 43+ stuff, even those already done, particularly the merchants.

Convoyed shipping (2-5 ships) becoming the norm, even if unescorted most of the time. Upped contact reports for a few of the groups.

tater

JochenHeiden · 07-31-07, 04:56 PM

Tater, I am using RFB 1.31 and I installed your latest .73 Campaign via JSGME into SH4. I got the message that said it'd conflict with RFB files but installed anyway.

However, everytime I am starting a new campaign on December 1 from Pearl Harbor the first mission it gives me is STILL the Marshall Islands fubar waste of time patrol.

Is this normal (did you not change this?) or did I not install your mod right?

07-30-07, 12:05 PM	#346
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, the contact reports should increase over time, but frankly the way they work is kinda goofy. Real intel was frequently very more specific: COnvoy X will sail on this date and meet escorts at this lat/long. That's the difference between ULTRA and a contact report from a sub. Reports from aircraft were notoriously poor, locations, but no headings, etc. I have an idea I'm gonna try to make some better contact reports for you guys. It'll be a surprise. The new campaign doesn't alter the basic routes all that much. To the west, they tend to tuck in a little closer to shore than the stock map showed. East of the Philipines, they are grossly different because they were so awful before. They drop down to Palau, some straight from the Empire, some closer tot he air cover of the Philipines. Another group goes down the bonin/marianas line to Truk. Some go from Davao/Palau to Truk. From truk there are branched to the Marshalls, Gilberts, and Rabaul/Kavieng. BTW, I plan on popping out 0.73 tonight. WIP 0.73: I added traffic to the aleutians and kurils, more 43 stuff, a random "Cactus Express," and various tweaks. A couple new test Patrol Objectives. I'm going to turn the Dutch Harbor base on (berry's) since there is now actually traffic. I haven't included Jace11's excellent map labels mod, but I'm using it to make my LOC not replicate anything he's done better. It would be a 100% reccomended addition, basically. I'm trying to stay away from the whole "supermod" thing and keep it modular where possible. tater Last edited by tater; 07-30-07 at 12:20 PM.

07-30-07, 05:42 PM	#353
Bando Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where you don't see me Posts: 607 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	D/l ing, and testing. Thanks Tater __________________ Regards, Bando

07-31-07, 09:19 AM	#358
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	It's reall not that different from stock, just a little closer to the beach, usually. <EDIT> I actually moved fewer than I thought. I feel like redoing the entire damn map sometimes. Maybe after this is finished I'll take all I learned anddo it right. Last edited by tater; 07-31-07 at 03:54 PM.

07-30-07, 01:52 PM	#347
Canonicus XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your baffles... Posts: 434 Downloads: 624 Uploads: 7	Was wondering .... Of the various tweeks that you mention being included in the new release, might there be one that fixes the CTD problem with the Balikapan and Tokai-Saipan single missions?

07-30-07, 02:11 PM	#348
Julius Caesar Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	tater, why didn't you you edit task forces moving at 2-3kts (in EastAsiaCampaign.mis)? :hmm: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115105 Thanks.

07-30-07, 02:56 PM	#349
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I haven't screwed with those scripted missions yet at the level I wanted. they got kind of gutted when I axed the 60+ Akizuki DDs in there. I droped a few of the 1 knot things, and moved them closer to shore. It's still in need of a major rewrite though. Doing it right is amazingly time consuming because I'd want to start with all the right ships (by name) etc. tater

07-30-07, 04:49 PM	#350
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I got the 07 and 08 single missions into the new version so if the campaign is loaded, they will still work for you. All I did was change the minesweeper and subchasers in the .mis file to "type=1" from what they were. tater

07-30-07, 04:51 PM	#351
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	BTW, good point regarding contact reports. I was thinking I might mod the map---the one you see on the table, that is---with the rough shipping routes. I will also mess around with contact reports some more. When I figure out the triggers, etc, I will have ultras to send you at specific convoys and TFs, too.

07-30-07, 05:03 PM	#352
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	http://mpgtext.net/subshare/590Impro...rs%20v0.73.rar 0.73 readme 1st post. I highly reccomend Jace11's map labels. I deleted a few on mine to make room. The missions might be a problem, be gentle. tater

07-30-07, 06:23 PM	#355
Canonicus XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your baffles... Posts: 434 Downloads: 624 Uploads: 7	No problems to report on loading of Quick Missions Balikapan and Tokai-Saipan... They run fine...no CTD's

07-30-07, 06:24 PM	#356
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	LOL. Yeah, rereading Willmott, Dull, and Shores to try and figure out how many ships of what type (and name) on what dates, for how long, lol. tater

07-31-07, 11:03 AM	#359
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm planning on messing around seriously with some of the mid 43+ stuff, even those already done, particularly the merchants. Convoyed shipping (2-5 ships) becoming the norm, even if unescorted most of the time. Upped contact reports for a few of the groups. tater

07-31-07, 04:56 PM	#360
JochenHeiden Seaman Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 40 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Tater, I am using RFB 1.31 and I installed your latest .73 Campaign via JSGME into SH4. I got the message that said it'd conflict with RFB files but installed anyway. However, everytime I am starting a new campaign on December 1 from Pearl Harbor the first mission it gives me is STILL the Marshall Islands fubar waste of time patrol. Is this normal (did you not change this?) or did I not install your mod right?