Manual targeting in 1.3

Inside686 · 07-15-07, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by switch.dota

5. Estimate speed & AOB

Be carefull that the value estimated by the crew is the course of the target relatively to the north which is different from the AOB. Anyway since you got the target course and the bearing to target you can calculate the AOB.

maerean_m · 07-15-07, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inside686

Quote:

Originally Posted by switch.dota

5. Estimate speed & AOB

Be carefull that the value estimated by the crew is the course of the target relatively to the north which is different from the AOB. Anyway since you got the target course and the bearing to target you can calculate the AOB.

target course, bearing to target...
AND sub heading. The bearing to target is relative to the sub

micky1up · 07-15-07, 07:52 AM

thats the problem with the game it swaps and changes from reletive bearing and true bearing . when you look through a scope you see ships heading always as 0 and when the team compute the speed and course from the ranging they use true bearings everything should be done in true to cancel the problem in the royal navy our scopes have a true bearing ring and underneith it a reletive bearing ring i can do it ok because all that stuff is my JOB in real life i can understand how its confusing for other people

is there any one out there skilled enough to mod the game so ships heading in scopes and other devices is displayed as true heading? that would be a great mod

Inside686 · 07-15-07, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by micky1up

is there any one out there skilled enough to mod the game so ships heading in scopes and other devices is displayed as true heading? that would be a great mod

A scale with true bearing and one with relative bearing on each measurement device would be perfect indeed (like the sonar dial)

Stew U-582 · 07-15-07, 09:18 AM

I have found the best way for getting speed is using the 3 minute rule. if you are unfamiliar ill explain

mark your targets position on the map with the pencil. Use maximun zoom and mark just in front of the bow. wait for exactly 3 minutes then mark the target again. using the ruler measure the distanse then multiply by 20. eg if the distance is 1nm your speed is 20kts .5nm = 10kts .3=6 ect. ive found you end up with a very reliable measurement. but obviously this method is much harder if you dont have map update on.

I have noticed that when using the sonar it allways seems to give a range slightly further and bearing slightly behind the target. Maybe im just not quick enough on the send data buttons.

Anyway Ive found the game heaps more exciting when using manual targeting. When and if I master this I want to move onto no map update.

happy hunting and stick with manual when you do hit its realy rewarding.

stew

micky1up · 07-15-07, 09:23 AM

Its Good But Even In Ww2 The Sonar Operator Could Give You The Speed Using Tpk And The Revolutions Of The Shaft Why Are They Making It Difficult To Get Course And Speed In The Game When Its Really Quite Simple I Can Do It In my Head But Im A Tactical Systems Leading Hand In The Royal Navy Submnarine Service Thats My Job In Life Not Everyone Is

gg5056 · 07-15-07, 12:21 PM

I like using auto, it easier for me. too much work in manual.

cleverusername · 07-15-07, 12:50 PM

Do speed and course estimations work if your boat is moving?

Tobus · 07-15-07, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micky1up

Its Good But Even In Ww2 The Sonar Operator Could Give You The Speed Using Tpk And The Revolutions Of The Shaft Why Are They Making It Difficult To Get Course And Speed In The Game When Its Really Quite Simple I Can Do It In my Head But Im A Tactical Systems Leading Hand In The Royal Navy Submnarine Service Thats My Job In Life Not Everyone Is

I-N-T-E-R-P-U-N-C-T-I-O-N Please!!!

Inside686 · 07-15-07, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew U-582

I have found the best way for getting speed is using the 3 minute rule. if you are unfamiliar ill explain

mark your targets position on the map with the pencil. Use maximun zoom and mark just in front of the bow. wait for exactly 3 minutes then mark the target again. using the ruler measure the distanse then multiply by 20. eg if the distance is 1nm your speed is 20kts .5nm = 10kts .3=6 ect. ive found you end up with a very reliable measurement. but obviously this method is much harder if you dont have map update on.

I have noticed that when using the sonar it allways seems to give a range slightly further and bearing slightly behind the target. Maybe im just not quick enough on the send data buttons.

Anyway Ive found the game heaps more exciting when using manual targeting. When and if I master this I want to move onto no map update.

happy hunting and stick with manual when you do hit its realy rewarding.

stew

The problem is that in most cases you don't have 3 min to make the measurments and most of all you don't have a single target to find the speed.

nomad_delta · 07-15-07, 05:52 PM

I've just started a new campaign on 100% realism (so including manual targetting) and I can say that the manual targetting has been working 100% better for me as of patch 1.3.

Since I play with Imperial measurements, manual TDC was almost impossible for me in 1.2 until CapnScurvy released his excellent "Imperial Range Fix" mod:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...imperial+range

Now with patch 1.3, all of the Imperial measurements seem to be working correctly without any mods at all, and I've had a near-perfect success record with all my manual TDC shots so far. Granted, I've only sunk a handful of ships so far: three Large Modern Composite Freighters, two Medium Old Split Freighters, and a Small Split Freighter.

But out of all of those ships I've only missed with one torpedo, and that was because I set my spread-angle a little too high.

---

Since I don't haven't gotten around to making an IS-WAS yet and I don't have a slide-rule, I've been using Centred75's excellent Imperial Navy Ship Recognition Manual which I highly recommend checking out. He's included complete quick-calculation tables AOB, Speed, and Range on all ships without having to do any calculations. (Thanks Centred75, if you happen to read this!) Here's a link to his thread w/ the manual: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=INSRM

nomad_delta

9th_cow · 07-15-07, 06:00 PM

having a hard time myself.
i hit a ship with one out of 4 at 4800 not long back. speed was a little off. i had it going faster than it was.
but ive had shots that made me stop and think, wtf...???

i dont even know how im missing these days. i think there was some subtle alteration in the patch i havent fingered just jet, of course i also havent played for a long time, maybe im just real rusty.
but i have missed some sitters that i never would have in the past. its hard to get used to when you dont know why

07-15-07, 09:18 AM	#5
Stew U-582 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 266 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	I have found the best way for getting speed is using the 3 minute rule. if you are unfamiliar ill explain mark your targets position on the map with the pencil. Use maximun zoom and mark just in front of the bow. wait for exactly 3 minutes then mark the target again. using the ruler measure the distanse then multiply by 20. eg if the distance is 1nm your speed is 20kts .5nm = 10kts .3=6 ect. ive found you end up with a very reliable measurement. but obviously this method is much harder if you dont have map update on. I have noticed that when using the sonar it allways seems to give a range slightly further and bearing slightly behind the target. Maybe im just not quick enough on the send data buttons. Anyway Ive found the game heaps more exciting when using manual targeting. When and if I master this I want to move onto no map update. happy hunting and stick with manual when you do hit its realy rewarding. stew __________________ Captain Stu from Down Under , Down Under

07-15-07, 12:21 PM	#7
gg5056 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: fl Posts: 112 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Use auto TDC I like using auto, it easier for me. too much work in manual.

07-15-07, 12:50 PM	#8
cleverusername Seaman Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 38 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Do speed and course estimations work if your boat is moving? __________________ Visual. Tally. Press!

07-15-07, 07:52 AM	#3
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	thats the problem with the game it swaps and changes from reletive bearing and true bearing . when you look through a scope you see ships heading always as 0 and when the team compute the speed and course from the ranging they use true bearings everything should be done in true to cancel the problem in the royal navy our scopes have a true bearing ring and underneith it a reletive bearing ring i can do it ok because all that stuff is my JOB in real life i can understand how its confusing for other people is there any one out there skilled enough to mod the game so ships heading in scopes and other devices is displayed as true heading? that would be a great mod

07-15-07, 09:23 AM	#6
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Its Good But Even In Ww2 The Sonar Operator Could Give You The Speed Using Tpk And The Revolutions Of The Shaft Why Are They Making It Difficult To Get Course And Speed In The Game When Its Really Quite Simple I Can Do It In my Head But Im A Tactical Systems Leading Hand In The Royal Navy Submnarine Service Thats My Job In Life Not Everyone Is

07-15-07, 05:52 PM	#11
nomad_delta Planesman Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 185 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I've just started a new campaign on 100% realism (so including manual targetting) and I can say that the manual targetting has been working 100% better for me as of patch 1.3. Since I play with Imperial measurements, manual TDC was almost impossible for me in 1.2 until CapnScurvy released his excellent "Imperial Range Fix" mod: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...imperial+range Now with patch 1.3, all of the Imperial measurements seem to be working correctly without any mods at all, and I've had a near-perfect success record with all my manual TDC shots so far. Granted, I've only sunk a handful of ships so far: three Large Modern Composite Freighters, two Medium Old Split Freighters, and a Small Split Freighter. But out of all of those ships I've only missed with one torpedo, and that was because I set my spread-angle a little too high. --- Since I don't haven't gotten around to making an IS-WAS yet and I don't have a slide-rule, I've been using Centred75's excellent *Imperial Navy Ship Recognition Manual* which I highly recommend checking out. He's included complete quick-calculation tables AOB, Speed, and Range on all ships without having to do any calculations. (Thanks Centred75, if you happen to read this!) Here's a link to his thread w/ the manual: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=INSRM nomad_delta

07-15-07, 06:00 PM	#12
9th_cow Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	having a hard time myself. i hit a ship with one out of 4 at 4800 not long back. speed was a little off. i had it going faster than it was. but ive had shots that made me stop and think, wtf...??? i dont even know how im missing these days. i think there was some subtle alteration in the patch i havent fingered just jet, of course i also havent played for a long time, maybe im just real rusty. but i have missed some sitters that i never would have in the past. its hard to get used to when you dont know why