My comment on the EU-treaty: World's greatest basar

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Hakahura

Hmmm Skybird

Whilst most of your original post is factual, what do you expect?

Of course Poland feels agrieved about losing some of it's voting power, who would'nt be. None of the statements made by their leader are factually incorrect are they? Just an unpleasent truth. You cannot blame Poland for feeling a sense national idenitity, after years of being mistreated at the hands of both Germany and Russia they are finally free and naturally reluctant to surrender themelves over to another form of dictatorship.

Then you say that Blair is looking out for British interests. Well about time too I say! He is (still just) the British Prime Minister. Its his job to look out for British interests. Though it is too little to late.

Not forgetting that a weak Europe has and always will be in the UK's interests.

What would you have national leaders do look out for other nations interests before their own? That sounds awfully close to treason to me.

People are naturally reluctant to have the will of others forced upon them. Thats what negotiation is for, even if it takes 100years.

Why is it necessary for the EU (I prefered the EEC) to have any of these Treatys/Constitutions/Dicatorial rules? Is it not enough to just trade with each other? As I understand thats what we were all originaly duped into joining up to.

What should Europe do? Bow to the wishes of the German/French federal power block?

Don't even get me started on the idea of a common foriegn policy.

You haven't understand me too well, I get the impression.

Germany and France were able to push their will in the club of six. It was difficult and often impossible in the club of 15. Now in the club of 27, it is impossible. It is a myth that germany tries to "Germanise" europe. As a matter of fact we painfully avoid to cause that impression, for not being seen as the hostile Hun again. Our parlimant allows our laws and constitutional rules being overruled by the EU - not the other way around. No other nation pays more into the EU than Germany. Which means: where that much money is coming from, you can get some more - by making the person in question feeling guilty and agreeing to compensate more. And more. And more. Hell, the war was TWO GENERATIONS in the past. There are not that much friends of Hitler in the Bundestag anymore. we get almost talked into a neurosis of how bad it is to be a German -in the present.

as the Polish example shows, aggression, lacking sense for cooperation and constructive intentions, the determination to let all others fail, pays off. the EU rewarded it, had not the guts to - finally - tell them that europe cannot afford to wait for the Poles to arrive in the 21 century, and putting everything in ruins others try to build. Lesson learned is this: let'S do it again, we get away with it, we get our reward. So, expect this kind of behavior even more often at the EU now, from Poland, and others as well. Compüromise is good. Always. Ever. Eternally. At all costs.

In the starting posting I said that the "agreement", the "compromise", the exclusion of the people, does not illustrate the democratic nature, the sense of cooperation and the sophisticated level of the EU. we saw ruthlessness, and brutality, to a degree that most observers and many politi9ci9ans at home said they had never seen before during all the EU's history of 50 years. This is no unity. And when Merkel finally tried the last tool available to her after the Poles AGAIN had sabotated the agreement on compromises they just had agreed to an hour before (the one twin said yes, and from the distance the other was yelling No!!!! ) - several other nations fell into her back, althoiugh the compromises already were way too farleading.

If "compromise at all costs", no matter how high they are, is the motto, then do not expect that bstrength will result from this. The summit showed egoism, determination for destruction of a degree previpously unknown in EU policies, and weakness. Really, I cannot say I am impressed. Not at all. a union, an alliance is soemthing diffrent. It seems some european nations think that some european nations are the greatest rivals and even enemies in the world. tjhat way, the EU will fail in surviving the rivalry with the US, China, India, Asia, South America.