hit and run? passenger beaten to death by mob

[SUBMAN1]

And you wonder why a .45 Kimber Pro Carry, with a couple clips is sitting in my car glovebox right now? You'll never see it, but I know its there. I like to believe it is more for attitude adjustment in a situation like that, than for actual use.

If the driver produced a firearm in that situation, his passenger would still be alive.

-S

[Tchocky]

And if someone in the crowd was similiarly armed?

same result, but worth keeping in mind

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

And if someone in the crowd was similiarly armed?

same result, but worth keeping in mind

Exactly same result, because being caught with a firearm, and going up to kick the living crap out of someone is not a smart thing to do - big time jail time for that. Having a firearm tends to make people more level headed and think twice about his or her actions if you've ever had experience with one. I can understand not knowing much about it though over in your neck of the woods though.

-S

[tycho102]

The incident happened near Austin, Texas, as crowd of between 2,000-3,000 people gathered for the annual Juneteenth festival, which commemorates the freeing of American slaves.

There's more to the story than the media is reporting.
Sounds like the driver was Mexican, which is going to cause racial tension with black gangs, regardless if the Mexican was in a gang or not (the guy was 40, so I'm going to guess not).

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Exactly same result, because being caught with a firearm, and going up to kick the living crap out of someone is not a smart thing to do - big time jail time for that. Having a firearm tends to make people more level headed and think twice about his or her actions if you've ever had experience with one.

These people were happy to beat someone to death. That takes time. I can't see the much shorter process of shooting someone dead involving more level-headedness, more consideration. I just don't get it. I don't see how owning a gun changes how concerned the person is with someone else's safety.

I can understand not knowing much about it though over in your neck of the woods though.

True, Tchock and guns tend not to cross paths.
I've had them pointed at me, and that's enough!


EDIT - Um, like Tak said. SUBMAN (or anyone), if you're quotiong or responding, go to the other thread. I'll be right behind you

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[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

These people were happy to beat someone to death. That takes time. I can't see the much shorter process of shooting someone dead involving more level-headedness, more consideration. I just don't get it. I don't see how owning a gun changes how concerned the person is with someone else's safety.

True, Tchock and guns tend not to cross paths.
I've had them pointed at me, and that's enough!

Yeah - but I don't think anyone had the intention of beating the man to death. Thats the issue here. They probably just wanted to kick the crap out of him and leave it at that. But suppose a few of those people where armed. The fear of assualt with a deadly weapon would have swayed their opinion to make sure they would have stayed out of anything to do with beating that man. With a firearm, and a license to carry concealed comes a responsibilty. On top of that, if you have your license, you automatically think twice about anything that can jepordize you license to carry and losing it over being ticked at someone for an accident is again, not a smart thing to do.

However, this is a racially motivated deal here it looks like - Mexicans vs. black people. There is major tension between those two races for some reason. Never quite understood it myself.

-S

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

With a firearm, and a license to carry concealed comes a responsibilty. On top of that, if you have your license, you automatically think twice about anything that can jepordize you license to carry and losing it over being ticked at someone for an accident is again, not a smart thing to do.

And the responsibility to not use your body as a deadly weapon and the fear of losing your freedom for assault and battery or even manslaughter isn't present in anyone's mind?

Seriously, if it takes an inanimate object to make people not act like animals then surely the most civilized people in the world must live in South Central.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

And the responsibility to not use your body as a deadly weapon and the fear of losing your freedom for assault and battery or even manslaughter isn't present in anyone's mind?

Seriously, if it takes an inanimate object to make people not act like animals then surely the most civilized people in the world must live in South Central.

I can't agree with that. Two different types of mentallity you are talking about. This situation - Give some young punks a few drinks and a healthy dose of testosterone, add in a we are free from slavery hostility to the air, add in a dose of racism as in this case, and they beat the hell out of the guy. Problem is, they beat him the hell out of him too much and actually killed him.

Now, since we were not there, suppose you have a Mexican and 20 black people who are all ticked off and hate Mexicans anyway, Mexican flips them some attitude, and what do you have? A dead Mexican. This is what I am betting happened.

And yes, animals live everywhere on this Earth - even in the US of A. Most people think, but when a firearm is present, they think doubly hard.

An example - I can't believe for a second that you didn't get in some fight when you were in your teens. If you didn't, I at least bet someone kicked the crap out of you then. The reason? Young, testosterone, competitiveness, possibly alcohol, maybe drugs. So don't give me this rant that you are all perfect up in Canada. Were you or those people thinking then? Same thing.

The firearm is simply a tool for defense. It also carrys extra responsibility. That is the point.

-S

PS. The way you say it, you don't treat driving a car any different than riding your bike. Scary. Both inanimate objects.

PPS. I hope i never ever lose my respect for firearms or being around firearms. That is extremely dangerous, and when possesing one, I will continue to do a double take on my actions.

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

....with a couple clips

MAGAZINE!!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

MAGAZINE!!

Clips! :p

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Clips! :p

MAGAZINE (repeat ad infinatum).

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

MAGAZINE (repeat ad infinatum).

I know. We have had this before - but I still say clips because actually saying 'magazine' would be boring now wouldn't it?

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I know. We have had this before - but I still say clips because actually saying 'magazine' would be boring now wouldn't it?

(breaks down and cries) its a magazine......