Deck Gun Aiming Problem

Zog · 06-15-07, 12:50 PM

I'll double check the next time a deck gun opportunity comes up, but it really doesn't seem to be a stabilization problem. The view through the sight seems steady enough. Once this behavior starts, the fall of the shot will land roughly in the same place in relation to the target. It doesn't seem to vary enough to be explained by wave action. Wouldn't waves result in shots falling randomly around the target, rather than consistantly 300 meters fore or aft? I can correct by shifting the aim if the shot falls within view, but sometimes this means cranking the site all the way to one side.

I don't have a petty officer or watch officer qualified in gunnery. In the stock SH3, even with qualification, the shooting was so bad, I just started doing it myself. Would it still help to have qualified crew when I'm doing the firing?

bigboywooly · 06-15-07, 03:56 PM

If you mean the DG pulls to the left or right while in zoom then this was in stock also
At times

KeptinCranky · 06-17-07, 05:27 PM

Yes, I've had this as well, it pulls to left or right in varying degrees sometines as much as 10 degrees, for no apparant reason, no heading changes in the uboat, matched target ship's base course and speed. firing at it with the gun bearing roughly 300 degrees. I think it's a stock bug and can be very annoying when you're trying to hit a small target or a very distant one.

doesn't matter so much when firing at a C3 from 700m, it's bigger than the broadside of a barn, but when trying to take out a pursuing flower corvette at 5000 meters it's life-threatening

06-20-07, 09:58 PM

there is a hard coded miss factor built in to the guns as well. it will miss on purpose and be way off target at longer ranges. i've seen a shot to the bow then miss behind the stern when the target was at 90 degrees from my sub. i've even tested this on a dead calm sea and stationary with stationary target ship.

just something you have to get used to and expect to miss a lot.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-20-07, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WEBSTER

there is a hard coded miss factor built in to the guns as well. it will miss on purpose and be way off target at longer ranges. i've seen a shot to the bow then miss behind the stern when the target was at 90 degrees from my sub. i've even tested this on a dead calm sea and stationary with stationary target ship.

just something you have to get used to and expect to miss a lot.

Which means you guys must get closer to your targets.

BWAHAHAHAHahaaaa!

Growler · 06-21-07, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

there is a hard coded miss factor built in to the guns as well. it will miss on purpose and be way off target at longer ranges. i've seen a shot to the bow then miss behind the stern when the target was at 90 degrees from my sub. i've even tested this on a dead calm sea and stationary with stationary target ship.

just something you have to get used to and expect to miss a lot.

Which means you guys must get closer to your targets.

BWAHAHAHAHahaaaa!

All due respect, Herr Kapitan, if my deck gun guys are missing a large merchant at less than 750m, on calm seas at midafternoon, I'm putting them in the torpedo tubes, where at least they can serve SOME purpose. At 500m, if they can't put an 88 through a porthole in similar conditions, I'm getting them a K.98 and putting them ashore... in Scapa.

Just cause you're Darth Vader doesn't mean we need to be saddled with the Stormtrooper School of Accuracy rejects.

Canovaro · 06-21-07, 01:41 PM

I too experience this issue.
Sometimes it is way off and other times it is very easy to hit.
Often I let the crew fire because my shells are flying in all directions.
Sometimes being at highs speed makes it easier, sometimes it makes it worse.

Jimbuna · 06-23-07, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

there is a hard coded miss factor built in to the guns as well. it will miss on purpose and be way off target at longer ranges. i've seen a shot to the bow then miss behind the stern when the target was at 90 degrees from my sub. i've even tested this on a dead calm sea and stationary with stationary target ship.

just something you have to get used to and expect to miss a lot.

Which means you guys must get closer to your targets.

BWAHAHAHAHahaaaa!

All due respect, Herr Kapitan, if my deck gun guys are missing a large merchant at less than 750m, on calm seas at midafternoon, I'm putting them in the torpedo tubes, where at least they can serve SOME purpose. At 500m, if they can't put an 88 through a porthole in similar conditions, I'm getting them a K.98 and putting them ashore... in Scapa.

Just cause you're Darth Vader doesn't mean we need to be saddled with the Stormtrooper School of Accuracy rejects.

You might want to consider going back to the coconut shy at the fairground for a bit of practice if that's the case :rotfl:

06-23-07, 08:53 PM

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if my deck gun guys are missing a large merchant at less than 750m, I'm putting them in the torpedo tubes, where at least they can serve SOME purpose.

[/quote]

the experience level of your crew does have a small, i repeat, small effect on accuracy but they will and do actually miss at 750m sometimes. they give you one shot on target then one out in the boondocks so the hardcoded AI hit to miss ratio is reached to simulate realistic action on pitching deck under fire even if it is flat calm. if you notice at 750m or less when they are hitting you will see a bow shot then a stern shot because they are trying to miss but the damn ship keeps getting in the way lol.

i never let the AI shoot for me because it just wastes all your ammo so man the gun yourself.

SpeedyPC · 02-13-09, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Which means you guys must get closer to your targets.

BWAHAHAHAHahaaaa!

Kpt. Lehmann I didn't realise you can be a No.1

smartarse

and I can tell you've been training your own deckgun

06-15-07, 03:56 PM	#2
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06-23-07, 08:53 PM	#9
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	[/quote] if my deck gun guys are missing a large merchant at less than 750m, I'm putting them in the torpedo tubes, where at least they can serve SOME purpose. [/quote] the experience level of your crew does have a small, i repeat, small effect on accuracy but they will and do actually miss at 750m sometimes. they give you one shot on target then one out in the boondocks so the hardcoded AI hit to miss ratio is reached to simulate realistic action on pitching deck under fire even if it is flat calm. if you notice at 750m or less when they are hitting you will see a bow shot then a stern shot because they are trying to miss but the damn ship keeps getting in the way lol. i never let the AI shoot for me because it just wastes all your ammo so man the gun yourself. Last edited by Webster; 06-23-07 at 11:31 PM.

06-15-07, 12:50 PM	#1
Zog Nub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'll double check the next time a deck gun opportunity comes up, but it really doesn't seem to be a stabilization problem. The view through the sight seems steady enough. Once this behavior starts, the fall of the shot will land roughly in the same place in relation to the target. It doesn't seem to vary enough to be explained by wave action. Wouldn't waves result in shots falling randomly around the target, rather than consistantly 300 meters fore or aft? I can correct by shifting the aim if the shot falls within view, but sometimes this means cranking the site all the way to one side. I don't have a petty officer or watch officer qualified in gunnery. In the stock SH3, even with qualification, the shooting was so bad, I just started doing it myself. Would it still help to have qualified crew when I'm doing the firing?

06-17-07, 05:27 PM	#3
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Yes, I've had this as well, it pulls to left or right in varying degrees sometines as much as 10 degrees, for no apparant reason, no heading changes in the uboat, matched target ship's base course and speed. firing at it with the gun bearing roughly 300 degrees. I think it's a stock bug and can be very annoying when you're trying to hit a small target or a very distant one. doesn't matter so much when firing at a C3 from 700m, it's bigger than the broadside of a barn, but when trying to take out a pursuing flower corvette at 5000 meters it's life-threatening

06-20-07, 09:58 PM	#4
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	there is a hard coded miss factor built in to the guns as well. it will miss on purpose and be way off target at longer ranges. i've seen a shot to the bow then miss behind the stern when the target was at 90 degrees from my sub. i've even tested this on a dead calm sea and stationary with stationary target ship. just something you have to get used to and expect to miss a lot.

06-21-07, 01:41 PM	#7
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I too experience this issue. Sometimes it is way off and other times it is very easy to hit. Often I let the crew fire because my shells are flying in all directions. Sometimes being at highs speed makes it easier, sometimes it makes it worse.