[TEC] Getting aircraft to attack periscopes

vindex · 06-05-07, 10:08 PM

I have had ships see my scope, especially destroyers when they are really close, even with my engines off on silent running. It wasn't sonar either, I wasn't getting pinged. I tested it by reloaded and keeping scope down and they didn't see me. But they have to be really close (less than 1000 feet) to see your scope.

I do notice, however, that the scopes don't seem to have wakes like they did in SH3. Could someone mod this?

tater · 06-05-07, 10:14 PM

Turns out that in the stock game DDs have radar. It's air search radar but it shares the same bug as the SD and detects ships and periscopes.

I'm still intrigued with this. Perhaps the mod could be a new active sonar that only goes to a depth of 100ft or so, with very very short range.

A similar technique could be used to mod ijn MAD gear. Active sonar, but with no ping sound. Have the distance it detects from the plane set to 100m or something, low enough flying planes could get you submerged.

tater

vindex · 06-05-07, 11:10 PM

Stock DD's have radar? That's news to me. I shadow lots of convoys using my radar and the escorts never do anything unless I get within visual range, then they make a beeline right at me.

tater · 06-05-07, 11:32 PM

Not right away, but many have this:

Code:

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type13
StartDate=19421001
EndDate=19430901

in their sns file.

That is an air-search set. The problem is that it also seems to detect ships as a bug. It isn't as effective though. Oddly, some people reported always having DDs head right at them, where I have trouble getting them to notice me.

Jace11 · 06-17-07, 03:50 PM

well i found out why planes and ships dont attack periscopes...

devs nerfed the visual sensors, can fix it two ways...

first reduce surface to real low value in sim.cfg however this has to ben ~10-50 for them to see a scope, while most mods are running it at 150-100. Default SH3 has 400 for the surface factor for visual...

I kinda figured they must have nerfed it elsewhere then...

It is in AI sensors, the AI visual sensor in SH3 has a sensitivity of 0.0000 in SH4 it has been nerfed to 0.300000

I suggest changing it 0.0000 in sh4 this will require re-doing sensors in the sim.cfg again, but GWX settings may work properly now...

Now planes and ships will attack scopes...

Jace11 · 06-17-07, 03:52 PM

I need to test to see if this will also allow DDs to spot and avoid torpedos..

tater · 06-17-07, 04:26 PM

Wow, great find.

I guess if this prevents night attacks on the surface (I just read about one where the boat got within 700 yards of a jap DD before she was spotted), then perhaps the night modifiers can be messed with.

<G>

tater

06-05-07, 11:32 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Not right away, but many have this: Code: [Sensor 9] NodeName=R01 LinkName=Type13 StartDate=19421001 EndDate=19430901 in their sns file. That is an air-search set. The problem is that it also seems to detect ships as a bug. It isn't as effective though. Oddly, some people reported always having DDs head right at them, where I have trouble getting them to notice me.

06-05-07, 10:08 PM	#1
vindex Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I have had ships see my scope, especially destroyers when they are really close, even with my engines off on silent running. It wasn't sonar either, I wasn't getting pinged. I tested it by reloaded and keeping scope down and they didn't see me. But they have to be really close (less than 1000 feet) to see your scope. I do notice, however, that the scopes don't seem to have wakes like they did in SH3. Could someone mod this?

06-05-07, 10:14 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Turns out that in the stock game DDs have radar. It's air search radar but it shares the same bug as the SD and detects ships and periscopes. I'm still intrigued with this. Perhaps the mod could be a new active sonar that only goes to a depth of 100ft or so, with very very short range. A similar technique could be used to mod ijn MAD gear. Active sonar, but with no ping sound. Have the distance it detects from the plane set to 100m or something, low enough flying planes could get you submerged. tater

06-05-07, 11:10 PM	#3
vindex Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Stock DD's have radar? That's news to me. I shadow lots of convoys using my radar and the escorts never do anything unless I get within visual range, then they make a beeline right at me.

06-17-07, 03:50 PM	#5
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	well i found out why planes and ships dont attack periscopes... devs nerfed the visual sensors, can fix it two ways... first reduce surface to real low value in sim.cfg however this has to ben ~10-50 for them to see a scope, while most mods are running it at 150-100. Default SH3 has 400 for the surface factor for visual... I kinda figured they must have nerfed it elsewhere then... It is in AI sensors, the AI visual sensor in SH3 has a sensitivity of 0.0000 in SH4 it has been nerfed to 0.300000 I suggest changing it 0.0000 in sh4 this will require re-doing sensors in the sim.cfg again, but GWX settings may work properly now... Now planes and ships will attack scopes...

06-17-07, 03:52 PM	#6
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	I need to test to see if this will also allow DDs to spot and avoid torpedos..

06-17-07, 04:26 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Wow, great find. I guess if this prevents night attacks on the surface (I just read about one where the boat got within 700 yards of a jap DD before she was spotted), then perhaps the night modifiers can be messed with. <G> tater