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Old 06-04-07, 12:14 PM   #1
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I guess I should have been a little clearer.

I dont consider periscope depth as "submerged" altough it technically is.

I meant deeper than periscope depth.
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Old 06-04-07, 12:23 PM   #2
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I would think it would be damn near impossible to successfully engage anything other than a stationary target with a deep-launched torpedo, with WW2 era equipment. The acoustic torpedos improved the odds somewhat, but I would not expect a deep launch with a Mk14, for example, to achieve any reasonable chance of success.

I was under the impression that sub-to-sub combat was virtually impossible in World War 2 because they did not have a means of getting a targeting solution at anything under periscope depth.

Also, wouldn't opening the tube doors at 400 feet be a bad thing? I'm not sure if torpedos have a recorded crush depth, but I would think that the interior of a tube would be much more susceptible to the pressure.
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Old 06-04-07, 12:31 PM   #3
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I would think it would be damn near impossible to successfully engage anything other than a stationary target with a deep-launched torpedo, with WW2 era equipment. The acoustic torpedos improved the odds somewhat, but I would not expect a deep launch with a Mk14, for example, to achieve any reasonable chance of success.

I was under the impression that sub-to-sub combat was virtually impossible in World War 2 because they did not have a means of getting a targeting solution at anything under periscope depth.

Also, wouldn't opening the tube doors at 400 feet be a bad thing? I'm not sure if torpedos have a recorded crush depth, but I would think that the interior of a tube would be much more susceptible to the pressure.
From an engineering perspective a tube can take pressure on the inside pressing out a hellua lot better than the outside pressing in... But a breech would be disasterious.

Wait a minute... isint a sub basically a tube ? :rotfl:
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Old 06-04-07, 12:31 PM   #4
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I didn' say they hit anything, they didn't. But it was USN doctrine before the war to execute a deep, slow, sonar approach and fire. That was with early fleet boats. They executed such attacks... maybe a few would have worked with better fish, dunno.

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Old 06-04-07, 12:35 PM   #5
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I have apparently been sunk by my lack of engineering knowledge. Well played, sir. :p
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Old 06-04-07, 08:06 PM   #6
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I have apparently been sunk by my lack of engineering knowledge. Well played, sir. :p
Like a man that can take a joke

Good for you !
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Old 06-04-07, 09:42 PM   #7
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Also take into consideration that there weren't very many "Cuties" available. Subs generally only had one or two on board. They were only to be used in "emergency" situations.

And I don't think Cuties were very fast so a DD going at full speed might be able to outrun them...if they know it's coming. (A DE might not be fast enough to get away...but a DD doing 35 Knts could possibly do it.).

The Tirante (another Tench) used a Cutie when she was boxed in by escorts. She damaged an escort with one and in the ensuing confusion managed to give the remaining escorts the slip. She may actually have been the first sub to use a Cutie.
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Also take into consideration that there weren't very many "Cuties" available. Subs generally only had one or two on board. They were only to be used in "emergency" situations.

And I don't think Cuties were very fast so a DD going at full speed might be able to outrun them...if they know it's coming. (A DE might not be fast enough to get away...but a DD doing 35 Knts could possibly do it.).

The Tirante (another Tench) used a Cutie when she was boxed in by escorts. She damaged an escort with one and in the ensuing confusion managed to give the remaining escorts the slip. She may actually have been the first sub to use a Cutie.
Most DD's Ive seen were steaming towards me... not running away at 35kts. But yea they could probably out run a torp in the right situation.
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