Battleship sinkings in WW2 (Info for GWX perhaps?)

_Seth_ · 06-03-07, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

If she was in fact scuttled, would they have considered it if she hadn't been damaged? :hmm:
She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement

IMO, the "GRAF SPEE" was scuttled, since its sinking was a direct result of her own crew's intervention. The "Bismarck", if scuttled, was heavily damaged prior to sinking, and the damage had to be taken into consideration.. My opinion: I will agree with Jim's theory on this..

Hakahura · 06-03-07, 01:13 PM

Ula Jolly

You did indeed read correctly. The Royal Navy sunk and damaged several French Battleships and Battlecruisers in port at Mers-el-Khebir, Algeria 3rd July 1940.

This was to prevent their capture by German forces following the fall of France.

The threat of these ships becoming part of the Kriegsmarine was too huge a threat for Winston Churchill to ignore. However when the French captains of these vessels received the Royal Navy's order to abandon ship before they being fired upon, they ignored this threat in disbelief. A great many French lives were regrettably lost.

A side benefit for Churchill was that this action demonstrated further to the neutral USA the British resolve to win the war with Germany at any cost.

fair_weather · 06-03-07, 01:13 PM

Updated the list with Battleships of Great Britain.

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06-03-2007 03:37 AM bigboywooly Interesting
We have no French BB's

Dunno what they'd look like though...I'll try and find some pictures of them.

bigboywooly · 06-03-07, 01:15 PM

UBOAT234 was working on a Richeleiu ( sp )
Not sure what happened to that

fair_weather · 06-03-07, 01:30 PM

Found some images and info on the French BBs.

Mind you...it's on Wikipedia...so...double check with a real source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Courbet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Provence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Bretagne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...ship_Dunkerque (Lots on info on this one)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...hip_Strasbourg

Hope that'll help a bit!

bigboywooly · 06-03-07, 02:09 PM

The trouble is all those Fr BB's are scrap by 1940 bar a couple
No point building them really for such a short time in the war
Not that ppl wont have a go but apart from UB234 I dont think anyone else has attempted them

KeptinCranky · 06-03-07, 04:55 PM

you forgot Tirpitz, repeatedly attacked, repaired, bombed, repaired again finally bombed and sunk at Tromso, Norway

fair_weather · 06-03-07, 07:29 PM

Buh?

*looks over his book*

...well shoot...the book left it out!

...Hmmm...would it be my bad? Or the authors?

_Seth_ · 06-03-07, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

you forgot Tirpitz, repeatedly attacked, repaired, bombed, repaired again finally bombed and sunk at Tromso, Norway

06-03-07, 01:13 PM	#2
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ula Jolly You did indeed read correctly. The Royal Navy sunk and damaged several French Battleships and Battlecruisers in port at Mers-el-Khebir, Algeria 3rd July 1940. This was to prevent their capture by German forces following the fall of France. The threat of these ships becoming part of the Kriegsmarine was too huge a threat for Winston Churchill to ignore. However when the French captains of these vessels received the Royal Navy's order to abandon ship before they being fired upon, they ignored this threat in disbelief. A great many French lives were regrettably lost. A side benefit for Churchill was that this action demonstrated further to the neutral USA the British resolve to win the war with Germany at any cost. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

06-03-07, 01:15 PM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	UBOAT234 was working on a Richeleiu ( sp ) Not sure what happened to that __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-03-07, 01:30 PM	#5
fair_weather Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 197 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Found some images and info on the French BBs. Mind you...it's on Wikipedia...so...double check with a real source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Courbet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Provence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Bretagne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...ship_Dunkerque (Lots on info on this one) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...hip_Strasbourg Hope that'll help a bit! __________________ Information on the Real SS-228

06-03-07, 02:09 PM	#6
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The trouble is all those Fr BB's are scrap by 1940 bar a couple No point building them really for such a short time in the war Not that ppl wont have a go but apart from UB234 I dont think anyone else has attempted them __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-03-07, 07:29 PM	#8
fair_weather Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 197 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Buh? looks over his book ...well shoot...the book left it out! ...Hmmm...would it be my bad? Or the authors? __________________ Information on the Real SS-228

06-03-07, 04:55 PM	#7
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	you forgot Tirpitz, repeatedly attacked, repaired, bombed, repaired again finally bombed and sunk at Tromso, Norway