Battleship sinkings in WW2 (Info for GWX perhaps?)

[alamwuhk2a]

Bismarck is scuttled by her own crew, due to heavy damage, leakage of fuel, weapons out of order but still afloat. To prevent being captured, it is scuttled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttled

[Indiana_Jones]

Originally Posted by alamwuhk2a

Bismarck is scuttled by her own crew, due to heavy damage, leakage of fuel, weapons out of order but still afloat. To prevent being captured, it is scuttled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttled

Ah, the age old argument if she sank from the damage or scuttling

-Indy

[bigboywooly]

Interesting
We have no French BB's
The Ge units are already covered though - as posted above

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Ah, the age old argument if she sank from the damage or scuttling

-Indy

I'll prescribe to the damage theory If she was in fact scuttled, would they have considered it if she hadn't been damaged? :hmm:
She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement

[bigboywooly]

Almost two hours had elapsed since the battle had begun, and the Bismarck had shown a formidable capacity of resistance. The British first struck Bismarck at 0902, and ceased fire around 1016. For 74 minutes, the Bismarck received a continuous hammering that no other warship could have taken. We need not forget that the Hood sank six minutes after the first German shells were fired only three days earlier. Moreover, neither the main belt nor the armour deck were seen to be penetrated during the combat, and in the end it was her own crew who scuttled the ship. During this last engagement 2,876 shells were fired at the Bismarck. They are itemised as follows:

• 380 of 40.6 cm from Rodney
  339 of 35.6 cm from King George V
  527 of 20.3 cm from Norfolk
  254 of 20.3 cm from Dorsetshire
  716 of 15.2 cm from Rodney
  660 of 13.3 cm from King George V

http://www.kbismarck.com/operheini.html

[Jimbuna]

She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement

ALL FOUR main armament turrets were put out of action prior to her being scuttled

[Ula Jolly]

Am I misreading this, or does it state that a French BB was bagged by.. The British?

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

Am I misreading this, or does it state that a French BB was bagged by.. The British?

Yes you are reading it right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_...-el-K%C3%A9bir

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

If she was in fact scuttled, would they have considered it if she hadn't been damaged? :hmm:
She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement

IMO, the "GRAF SPEE" was scuttled, since its sinking was a direct result of her own crew's intervention. The "Bismarck", if scuttled, was heavily damaged prior to sinking, and the damage had to be taken into consideration.. My opinion: I will agree with Jim's theory on this..

[Hakahura]

Ula Jolly

You did indeed read correctly. The Royal Navy sunk and damaged several French Battleships and Battlecruisers in port at Mers-el-Khebir, Algeria 3rd July 1940.

This was to prevent their capture by German forces following the fall of France.

The threat of these ships becoming part of the Kriegsmarine was too huge a threat for Winston Churchill to ignore. However when the French captains of these vessels received the Royal Navy's order to abandon ship before they being fired upon, they ignored this threat in disbelief. A great many French lives were regrettably lost.

A side benefit for Churchill was that this action demonstrated further to the neutral USA the British resolve to win the war with Germany at any cost.

[fair_weather]

Updated the list with Battleships of Great Britain.

06-03-2007 03:37 AM bigboywooly Interesting
We have no French BB's

Dunno what they'd look like though...I'll try and find some pictures of them.

[bigboywooly]

UBOAT234 was working on a Richeleiu ( sp )
Not sure what happened to that

[fair_weather]

Found some images and info on the French BBs.

Mind you...it's on Wikipedia...so...double check with a real source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Courbet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Provence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Bretagne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...ship_Dunkerque (Lots on info on this one)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...hip_Strasbourg

Hope that'll help a bit!