Why do we have a rubbish National Anthem? - Page 4

Jimbuna · 05-30-07, 06:37 AM

Looks like since about 1572 :hmm:

AntEater · 05-30-07, 06:40 AM

Actually, there's an argument wether "duytsche" means of "dutch" or "german".

William of Orange certainly was of german blood, as Hesse-Nassau is nowhere near the present netherlands. But on the other hand, back in the 16th century, dutch and german was not yet as problematic as post 1940..
Anyway, Wilhelmus was quite popular as a protestant combat song in the 30 years war in Germany as well, and apparently used as a choral even later, as the protestant states and church of Germany always regarded the netherlands as something of a role model.
But "oldest anthem" is a problem, as Wilhelmus was certainly THE national song of the Netherlands, but not the official anthem of the Netherlands until 1932.
The Kimigayo of Japan exists since the 10th century, as a song of reverence to the Tenno, but also was not a formal national anthem until the 1870s, when it was rearranged for a western style orchestra by a german composer working in Meji Japan.
I suppose the british "god save" really has to be considered the oldest. Haydns Kaiserlied (present day german anthem with different text) is also quite old, but the state it stood for (Habsburg Austria-Hungary) does not exist anymore.

kurtz · 05-30-07, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gnirtS

This thread is diverging a bit.

Some are on about a British national anthem, some an English national anthem - 2 different things.

Wales and Scotland have their own, England is the only country in the union that does not have its own and uses the GSTQ durge.

A separate issue is Britain as a whole (different from ENGLAND) and that anthem. GSTQ as well as being uninventing and dull is also incredibly annoying for the majority of the country who want rid of the royal family - they last thing they're going to do is sing something in support of them. Its hardly a song to unite everyone as a result of that!

Hmm the less than popular 3rd verse

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade, May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the King. So I think we can take that as pro Union

Jimbuna · 05-30-07, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kurtz

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Originally Posted by gnirtS

This thread is diverging a bit.

Some are on about a British national anthem, some an English national anthem - 2 different things.

Wales and Scotland have their own, England is the only country in the union that does not have its own and uses the GSTQ durge.

A separate issue is Britain as a whole (different from ENGLAND) and that anthem. GSTQ as well as being uninventing and dull is also incredibly annoying for the majority of the country who want rid of the royal family - they last thing they're going to do is sing something in support of them. Its hardly a song to unite everyone as a result of that!

Hmm the less than popular 3rd verse

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade, May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the King. So I think we can take that as pro Union

I just bloody knew it!!

I was wondering when someone aws going to post that verse

tycho102 · 05-30-07, 01:02 PM

It's a long way to Tipperary

Fish · 05-30-07, 06:02 PM

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How come all these other countries have great national anthems such as;

USA The Star spangled Banner, rockets bursting in air...all that very stirring

France Le Marselies (apologies for spelling) blood of invaders spilling on to the ground...way to go

Germany German Women, German Wine, German Song...prefer red myself so I'll pass on the Reisling...

The Netherlands:

William of Nassau, scion
Of a Dutch and ancient line,
I dedicate undying
Faith to this land of mine.
A prince I am, undaunted,
Of Orange, ever free,
To the king of Spain I've granted
A lifelong loyalty.

I've ever tried to live in
The fear of God's command
And therefore I've been driven,
From people, home, and land,
But God, I trust, will rate me
His willing instrument
And one day reinstate me
Into my government.

There are 15 of them.

So, it's not only the oldest national anthem of the world, but probable also the longest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Het_Wilhelmus

Actually, Wilhelmus is my baptism-name.

15 verses! wow that must take ages to sing I'd prefer to dive into a mine instead of having to sing that many verses

. How long did it take them to think up that many?! :hmm:

We use to sing just the two first verses.

d@rk51d3 · 05-30-07, 06:25 PM

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You guys should totally use the main theme to star wars!

Oh my. That was funny!

That brought a smile to my face too, but I prefer the Emperors theme tune......

Naa naa naa, na na naaaaaa na na naaaaaaaaaaa.

Egan · 05-31-07, 05:26 PM

Does anyone remember when an Irish guy won the boxing in the 92 olympics and they couldn't find the Irish national anthem so they played 'Danny Boy' instead?

Superb - the guy just couldn't stop crying. Brilliant choice.

(note: It is entirley possible I drempt this but I'm pretty sure it happened...

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Don't like 'God save the Queen' though - dreary nonsense. I'd go for the Billy Bragg one. Mind you, I think he should be prime minister anyway.

06-01-07, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Looks like since about 1572 :hmm:

Wow well I guess a good national anthem takes time

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Jimbuna · 06-01-07, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan

Does anyone remember when an Irish guy won the boxing in the 92 olympics and they couldn't find the Irish national anthem so they played 'Danny Boy' instead?

Superb - the guy just couldn't stop crying. Brilliant choice.

(note: It is entirley possible I drempt this but I'm pretty sure it happened...

)

Don't like 'God save the Queen' though - dreary nonsense. I'd go for the Billy Bragg one. Mind you, I think he should be prime minister anyway.

I do...not sure of which year though :hmm:

It had to be the Irish

lesrae · 06-02-07, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

No, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry guys....but the Big Yin has beaten you to it.

Beat me to it

06-02-07, 10:09 AM

Just wondering how long will it be till I get a suitable girly picture?

Safe-Keeper · 06-02-07, 10:21 AM

Hilarious title, and the fact that the creator is in the brig makes it even better.

What'd I do without this site:rotfl:?

Bah, just adopt the German anthem. As a matter of fact, all nations should adopt the German anthem. Prettiest tune I ever heard

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06-02-07, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Hilarious title, and the fact that the creator is in the brig makes it even better.

What'd I do without this site:rotfl:?

Bah, just adopt the German anthem. As a matter of fact, all nations should adopt the German anthem. Prettiest tune I ever heard

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German National anthem does sound good and I know some of it!

06-02-07, 11:22 AM

Oh and this is to all Kraftwerk fans

View Poll Results: What should the National Anthem be?
God Save The Queen (suppose I have to put it here)	9	23.68%
Jerusalem (good for sporting occasions)	2	5.26%
I Vow to Thee My Country (my favourite)	3	7.89%
Land of Hope and Glory (might annoy the ex-colonies!)	6	15.79%
Rule Brittania (possibly embarrasing)	8	21.05%
Between The Wars (hmm bit conciliatory)	1	2.63%
None of the above I want the poll again with my song	9	23.68%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

05-30-07, 06:37 AM	#46
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Looks like since about 1572 :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-30-07, 06:40 AM	#47
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, there's an argument wether "duytsche" means of "dutch" or "german". William of Orange certainly was of german blood, as Hesse-Nassau is nowhere near the present netherlands. But on the other hand, back in the 16th century, dutch and german was not yet as problematic as post 1940.. Anyway, Wilhelmus was quite popular as a protestant combat song in the 30 years war in Germany as well, and apparently used as a choral even later, as the protestant states and church of Germany always regarded the netherlands as something of a role model. But "oldest anthem" is a problem, as Wilhelmus was certainly THE national song of the Netherlands, but not the official anthem of the Netherlands until 1932. The Kimigayo of Japan exists since the 10th century, as a song of reverence to the Tenno, but also was not a formal national anthem until the 1870s, when it was rearranged for a western style orchestra by a german composer working in Meji Japan. I suppose the british "god save" really has to be considered the oldest. Haydns Kaiserlied (present day german anthem with different text) is also quite old, but the state it stood for (Habsburg Austria-Hungary) does not exist anymore. __________________

05-31-07, 05:26 PM	#53
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Does anyone remember when an Irish guy won the boxing in the 92 olympics and they couldn't find the Irish national anthem so they played 'Danny Boy' instead? Superb - the guy just couldn't stop crying. Brilliant choice. (note: It is entirley possible I drempt this but I'm pretty sure it happened...) Don't like 'God save the Queen' though - dreary nonsense. I'd go for the Billy Bragg one. Mind you, I think he should be prime minister anyway.

06-02-07, 10:21 AM	#58
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Hilarious title, and the fact that the creator is in the brig makes it even better. What'd I do without this site:rotfl:? Bah, just adopt the German anthem. As a matter of fact, all nations should adopt the German anthem. Prettiest tune I ever heard. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

05-30-07, 01:02 PM	#50
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's a long way to Tipperary

06-02-07, 10:09 AM	#57
Antidike Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Just wondering how long will it be till I get a suitable girly picture?

06-02-07, 11:22 AM	#60
Antidike Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Oh and this is to all Kraftwerk fans