Calling for djihad now officially allowed in Germany

[SUBMAN1]

Ahh, are they stupid? You can't say those things in the US even - nothing threatening is allowed.

[LuftWolf]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Ahh, are they stupid? You can't say those things in the US even - nothing threatening is allowed.

In the US, you can say pretty much anything you want.

The difference is that we've got rednecks... and those rednecks have guns and don't mind killing and/or threatening dark looking people.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the bottom line is that people who insist on being outsiders in American culture feel our xenophobia/ignorance breathing down on them with force of arms.

In Europe, a FAR more fundamentally racist and hateful place than the United States, they've run themselves dry of the kind of fight necessary to maintain their own civilizations in the face of a 21st century barbarian horde, having destroyed their continent twice in the last 100 years.

Cheers,
David

PS Oh yeah, and the flip side is that we actually give immigrants a fighting chance to integrate into our society... ahem, France et al.

[AntEater]

Well, it seems people against Globalization are deemed a far greater risk to the german state than people who are against everything that state stands for...
Those cowards... Taking strong words and stands against their own people while sucking up on those that actually can hurt them.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by LuftWolf

In the US, you can say pretty much anything you want.

Not entirely true - you cannot threaten anyone, for which calling for Jihad would violate, so this would not be allowed in the US.

The difference is that we've got rednecks... and those rednecks have guns and don't mind killing and/or threatening dark looking people.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the bottom line is that people who insist on being outsiders in American culture feel our xenophobia/ignorance breathing down on them with force of arms.

In Europe, a FAR more fundamentally racist and hateful place than the United States, they've run themselves dry of the kind of fight necessary to maintain their own civilizations in the face of a 21st century barbarian horde, having destroyed their continent twice in the last 100 years.

Cheers,
David

PS Oh yeah, and the flip side is that we actually give immigrants a fighting chance to integrate into our society... ahem, France et al.

I agree 100%!

[LuftWolf]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Not entirely true - you cannot threaten anyone, for which calling for Jihad would violate, so this would not be allowed in the US.

Well... in the US it is perhaps more of a gray issue than in other countries with limited freedom of speech.

In the US, we pretty much do have unlimited freedom of speech... with the only limitations on the speech of private citizens being that the speech itself cannot constitute a criminal act, so nothing that would be conspiracy or menacing.

Basically, anything short of speech that creates a threat to public safety is allowed (the classic example being not to yell "fire" in a public theater)... so nothing you can say would be a crime because of the theme or topic of the speech, but rather the conditions that are or might be caused by the speech itself.

If that makes any sense...

Cheers,
David

[Hitman]

I somehow suppose that the decission had not exactly the words "you can demand the submission and killing of infidels, you only are not allowed to practice djihad. You are allowed to propagate and publicly support terroristic ideas and organisations, you are just not allowed the membership in and material support for them", but instead something different. Would like to read it myself if you can post it, pleaze . Probably the court has not the same concept as you about what Jihad is (I'm not saying who I think is right), as I doubt much that a court anywhere in EU can say that propagating and publicly supporting terroristic ideas and organisations is OK.

But anyway, you germans are IMO sadly still unfairly paying a high price for the errors of your grandfathers:hmm: And what's worser, I don't think the supposed *tolerant and democratic example* of the german politics and laws are in fact what the german Volk wants. I think I know germans a bit, I admire them much and would prefer to have born german rather than spanish...but certainly they don't rate in my list as a tolerant nation.

Since I cannot read the arcticle (this is an english speaking forum) I cannot make a judgement. When I can find something in english I may comment.


I'd like to know the whole story before I comment. Sorry to say it, but skybird has an agenda, and I will not take his partial translation as the important part of the arcticle.

[Heibges]

You used to be able to say stuff like that in the United States, and the KKK often did. But with all the new hate crime laws you will find yourself between a rock and hard place in a hurry.

The only people it is okay to pick on in America is gays and lesbians.