Bear With Me...I want a debate here

August · 05-25-07, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

...force them to accept the legal responsebility for what they have done, is enough.

Kinda hard to do when they've already blown their own brains out.

Chock · 05-25-07, 09:13 AM

I won't pretend I know everything about this incident, but I've certainly seen the video the killer posted and read a transcript of his somewhat rambling statement.

It's clear that he either was, or at least felt, he was mistreated by some people. And while it is apparently true that he was pestering people a lot, the responses and treatment he received clearly affected him in a way that led to some terrible consequences.

Judging by his comments, in his own mind he seems justified in doing what he did. But of course there can be no justification for such an act from anyone else. However, if you put yourself in his shoes, it all fits just fine.

Now, he might have been mentally unstable, or upset, or perfectly sane and just a nasty b*st*rd, I don't know for sure. But what I do know is that quite a few people have suggested that he may have been made to feel like an outsider and a non-person by other students. Anyone who has ever been to school or college will know that this sort of thing goes on, and while such a situation hardly justifies such awful retribution, and most people on the receiving end of this kind of treatment merely suffer in silence, if this is the result of such an occurrence, it's a salutary tale for us all on how we treat others, and the possible consequences of not being as nice or as helpful or friendly as we could.

Events such as this are not new and my take on the situation is certainly not new either, 27 years ago Peter Gabriel wrote the song 'Family Snapshot' and caused outrage in the USA addressing this kind of thing fromthe sympathetic standpoint of the killer. He commented on it thus:

'the murderer's deep sense of emptiness and neglect as a result of his upbringing; and how his childhood was so deprived of attention and affection, that a personality was created who only saw the world from the outside looking in. The assasin needed this crime, to make himself exist in a world he never felt a part of.'

It's a sad thing, and what is even sadder is that it probably won't be the last time either.

Chock

AntEater · 05-25-07, 09:20 AM

In ancient times, Herostratos torched the Temple of Artemis in Ephesos, so his name would be immortal.
It was tried to eradicate his name as a punishment, but ultimately it didnt work.
In a way, it is impossible to prevent such people from posthumous fame.

August · 05-25-07, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

In ancient times, Herostratos torched the Temple of Artemis in Ephesos, so his name would be immortal.
It was tried to eradicate his name as a punishment, but ultimately it didnt work.
In a way, it is impossible to prevent such people from posthumous fame.

Herostratos who?

AntEater · 05-25-07, 10:54 AM

Ok, the imbeciles of the consumer age finally accomplished what the ancient greeks could not.
Mind you, until there's a hollywood movie about him.

August · 05-25-07, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

Ok, the imbeciles of the consumer age finally accomplished what the ancient greeks could not.
Mind you, until there's a hollywood movie about him.

What you don't know is that Herostratos wasn't his real name, it's the ancient Greek equivalent to "John Doe".

fredbass · 05-25-07, 11:32 AM

As far as the amount of publicity and news coverage is concerned, I really just think we're at a time now where there is an over-abundance of media outlets which after being bombarded with info, can sometimes give us a false sense of reality.

Of course Cho was a victim. We've all been victims in varying degrees at some point in our lives. His victimization just happen to be more extreme than most. Genetics, physical and mental health issues, his surroundings and just plain ole bad luck created this person into who he was which sadly ended the way it did by creating more victims.

I just hope that society can learn and improve from it, especially for future generations.

Sailor Steve · 05-25-07, 11:42 AM

Were they right or wrong to show the photos? I don't know. I do know that it's never going to stop. For every news outlet that decides to 'protect' us, there are ten others who will go for what sells.

It's a fact of life. I hate to say something crass like "deal with it", but really that's all we can do.

05-25-07, 09:13 AM	#2
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I won't pretend I know everything about this incident, but I've certainly seen the video the killer posted and read a transcript of his somewhat rambling statement. It's clear that he either was, or at least felt, he was mistreated by some people. And while it is apparently true that he was pestering people a lot, the responses and treatment he received clearly affected him in a way that led to some terrible consequences. Judging by his comments, in his own mind he seems justified in doing what he did. But of course there can be no justification for such an act from anyone else. However, if you put yourself in his shoes, it all fits just fine. Now, he might have been mentally unstable, or upset, or perfectly sane and just a nasty bstrd, I don't know for sure. But what I do know is that quite a few people have suggested that he may have been made to feel like an outsider and a non-person by other students. Anyone who has ever been to school or college will know that this sort of thing goes on, and while such a situation hardly justifies such awful retribution, and most people on the receiving end of this kind of treatment merely suffer in silence, if this is the result of such an occurrence, it's a salutary tale for us all on how we treat others, and the possible consequences of not being as nice or as helpful or friendly as we could. Events such as this are not new and my take on the situation is certainly not new either, 27 years ago Peter Gabriel wrote the song 'Family Snapshot' and caused outrage in the USA addressing this kind of thing fromthe sympathetic standpoint of the killer. He commented on it thus: 'the murderer's deep sense of emptiness and neglect as a result of his upbringing; and how his childhood was so deprived of attention and affection, that a personality was created who only saw the world from the outside looking in. The assasin needed this crime, to make himself exist in a world he never felt a part of.' It's a sad thing, and what is even sadder is that it probably won't be the last time either. Chock Last edited by Chock; 05-25-07 at 12:09 PM.

05-25-07, 09:20 AM	#3
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In ancient times, Herostratos torched the Temple of Artemis in Ephesos, so his name would be immortal. It was tried to eradicate his name as a punishment, but ultimately it didnt work. In a way, it is impossible to prevent such people from posthumous fame. __________________

05-25-07, 10:54 AM	#5
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok, the imbeciles of the consumer age finally accomplished what the ancient greeks could not. Mind you, until there's a hollywood movie about him. __________________

05-25-07, 11:32 AM	#7
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As far as the amount of publicity and news coverage is concerned, I really just think we're at a time now where there is an over-abundance of media outlets which after being bombarded with info, can sometimes give us a false sense of reality. Of course Cho was a victim. We've all been victims in varying degrees at some point in our lives. His victimization just happen to be more extreme than most. Genetics, physical and mental health issues, his surroundings and just plain ole bad luck created this person into who he was which sadly ended the way it did by creating more victims. I just hope that society can learn and improve from it, especially for future generations. __________________

05-25-07, 11:42 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Were they right or wrong to show the photos? I don't know. I do know that it's never going to stop. For every news outlet that decides to 'protect' us, there are ten others who will go for what sells. It's a fact of life. I hate to say something crass like "deal with it", but really that's all we can do. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo