1.3 Poll On Official German SHIV site removed

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by U-Bones

Our fault...

OK, feel guilty if you wish, I suppose it is possible.

I will pass.

Partly, yes. Just browse the SHIV forums, what can you see? Hate, petitions, threats to sue them etc. Now, why would they want to work more for a community that only supports them when everything is going smoothly, but as soon as something bad comes up, the community is threatning them?

And like I said when the game was released: Remember, it wasnt the devs that came up with the stupid deadline.

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.

Oh please! If no patch to fix this "game" then the decision will be a simple financial one by some middle manager type in Ubi...it will have nothing to do with anything that has been said, negative or positive, in these or Ubi's forums. Its a simple business decision for the sake of profits and the only thing that will "perhapps" change their mind is if enough negative publicity is brought to bear on them.

[TDK1044]

Just as an observation; Ubisoft is not going to be impressed with petulent screaming and shouting regarding this issue. Nor will they worry in the slightest about the "I'm never going to buy another Ubisoft product again" group.

These companies know that the loss in sales as a result of that kind of reaction is so minimal as to be of no consequence.

Ubisoft may reconsider patch 1.3, if it can be demonstrated to them that the need for the patch is important to a significant number of SH4 players. The more people who e-mail them, snail mail them and call them, and the more that appears to be random game players and not subsim community members, the more chance for success.

These companies work with metrics, and if they are having to deal with this issue on a daily basis on several different fronts, then it may become financially viable to produce the patch so that their staff are not having to deal with these complaints on a daily basis.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Partly, yes. Just browse the SHIV forums, what can you see? Hate, petitions, threats to sue them etc. Now, why would they want to work more for a community that only supports them when everything is going smoothly, but as soon as something bad comes up, the community is threatning them?

Sorry.
You are confusing cause and effect. 90% of the anger is because the publisher bailed. (nothing to do with devs or bugs, or typical angst that dissipates with patch)

...and "something bad" with being abandoned. Gross understatement. A no more patch statement with the current state of the game is traumatic for many. Without patches, GWX would have probably never seen the light of day because a large part of the community would have bailed on a bad base.

...and support with being sensitive to their feelings. Given time and support from the PUBLISHER, I am sure the devs could have kept improving the game. Patting them on the head instead of pointing out problems would have simply short circuited that process.

Maybe if we had sent little love notes over the year while they were coding, 1.0 would have been better, and we would not have had to hurt any feelig with honest reviews.

It is NOT the consumers fault that the producer delivered inferior product and followed it with inferior support. People were being reasonably tolerant and patient with the inferior product, but when the asinine request for us to beg for further support came out, people got angry.

Even if your comments were closer to the truth than they are, why go there now ? Its rather unsporting all things considered. Last thing we need is friendly fire.

[Dowly]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

Enjoy your game and wish us well over here.

[UglyMowgli]

SH4 was just relaese too early and unfinished, just becasue Ubi soft annual results were released 1 months after SH4 was out so the sale of the sim were accounted on the results, the benefits for the ubi stocks owners was good and that all, they were happy.

The games companies are disengaging from PC games (to long to develop, portability is not good to consoles like X360, PS3, etc...) and piracy is to simple for PC games , EA is stopping making PC games and will just developp consoles ones.
At the end we will just have small developpers seeling PC games only by internet like battlefront, SCS or e-sims.

I try to contatct Ubi (I have a good contact here) but at this time no answer to my questions.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.

I played it pretty much when I got it, but then I got kind of bored to the whole atmosphere of the Pacific battles and decided to go back to the more dramatic Atlantic. Nothing more, nothing less.

[the_belgian]

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE

Errr.....shouldn't that be

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAS STOVES BE

[MaciejK]

Originally Posted by the_belgian

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...

Man, these are completly two different things - the patch issue and something being perfet.
It is just that the company which released the game knows exactly that they released a broken or rather unfinished product. trousers without one sleeve, car without brakes, color TV working only in B&W, a novel with half of the pages missing, a hamburger without meat, . The game isnt even compatibile with its own manual.

one can enjoy it now, 1.2, but it does not mean that it shouldnt be fixed - finished.

It is an ethical conflict for respect for customers. The distance between customers and the service-good provider makes it easy for them to sell unfinished product. If I went to a hairdressed and ordered a trimming and he said after doing half of the job that he is not going to finish it I would be in a better position to smash him in his face than i am now, being totally neglected and insulted by sheer fact that I have to show my interest in the product Ibought being finished or brought to state in which it can be described as "without serous problems".

[Target]

Originally Posted by the_belgian

NOBODY IS PERFECT.

WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...

This is what I heard many an inmate say to excuse their behavior. They would then look at everyone (those who are innocent) as being guilty of something so that justice wasn't served by their incarceration when everyone else was on the street.
No, not everyone is perfect, but everyone shouild be striving towards that goal, otherwise murder and robbery becomes acceptable. This strive towards perfection includes the individuals who make these decisions as to when to release a product. If the product isn't complete and the excuse, "Oh well, nobody's perfect" is used, how far down that road do you really want to go? The question might be asked, will their next sub sim actually include a sub? Don't fret, the mods will fix it.

Would you buy a house without windows?

[dean_acheson]

I might not be a very good attorney, but when people start talking lawsuit, it makes me roll my eyes. How moronic. Thanks guys, as if we don't live in a litigous enough world....

Meanwhile the whole thread has been deleted overthere, Forum Manager is talking in a new message about a cooperation with subsim.com

' 'Wir wissen dass die Situation momentan sehr aufgeheizt ist und wir sind momentan dabei eure Raktionen zu beobachten und zu dokumentieren.

Gleichzeitig arbeiten wir in Zusammenarbeit mit Subsim.com an einer Liste um Probleme in Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific zu erkennen und weitere Schritte zu planen. '


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