US funds the enemy

Skybird · 05-20-07, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

some interesting conversations with an Afghan neighbour in residence in Ottawa where I did my M.A. :hmm:

Ha, I can imagine... All in all, Pakistani in general are not popular in Afghanistan, maybe with some Pushtun tribes only (who accepted there assistance during the Soviet era, and also accepted the Taleban), but that's it. To say that the majority of the other ethnicites is hostile towards Pakistan is no exaggeration - they have triggered some conspiracies too much in the past. The Soviet war has cut some deep wounds, and which side one has choosen in the past is probably not forgotten. Unfortunetaly, alliances in Afghanistan do not tell a history of holding long.

If you are no Afghan, you are an outsider anyway. Afghans, and in a way also the Persians, do not compare to the other Islamic huge ethnicities in the world.

The Avon Lady · 05-20-07, 09:04 AM

"And if our "staunch ally" Afghanistan goes to war with "staunch ally" Pakistan which "staunch ally" do we help? What a tangled web we weave, when e'er we practice to deceive. And how much more tangled the web of entangling alliances, when e'er we practice to deceive not others, but ourselves."
- Hugh Fitzgerald, Jihad Watch, comment on Musharraf acknowledges Islamic militancy rising as Lal Masjid jihadists abduct 4 police officers.

ASWnut101 · 05-20-07, 04:26 PM

Ok, Please tell me how we are "Funding the Enemy?" The money is going to just the opposite of what you said.

Although, I do understand this:

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"They send us a bill, and we just pay it," said a senior military official who has dealt extensively with President Musharraf. "Nobody can really explain what we are getting for this money or even where it's going."

I haven't seen much from pakistan in return. This funding needs to stop, as it is obviously doing nothing.

Skybird · 05-20-07, 05:04 PM

Give Pakistan money, and part of it will directly end in the Taleban's funding. That simple. Musharaf is fighting for his own survival. He is by far not the master in his house. Huge parts of their secret service and military and officers have great sympathy for the Taleban. Also, the Pakistan military is too weak for the tribes in the west and Southwest. They got a bashing years before, and they got a bashing again recently when trying to establish control over these places.

You are wrong when saying the money you give them does nothing and should stop. It does very much. What it does is that it helps them to assist the Taleban and buy them weapons and supplies - that are used against your soldiers (and ours, btw, as was seen on Saturday). America allows itself to get betrayed. Pakistan is no ally of yours - but a traitor. Partially he hides his treachery, but partially you accept to get deceived, so that illusions must not be given up you meanwhile grew fond of.

Treachery and deception always takes two.

ASWnut101 · 05-20-07, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Give Pakistan money, and part of it will directly end in the Taleban's funding. That simple. Musharaf is fighting for his own survival. He is by far not the master in his house. Huge parts of their secret service and military and officers have great sympathy for the Taleban. Also, the Pakistan military is too weak for the tribes in the west and Southwest. They got a bashing years before, and they got a bashing again recently when trying to establish control over these places.

Ok. I understand what you mean now. I already realized that, just wanted to clarify.

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You are wrong when saying the money you give them does nothing and should stop. It does very much. What it does is that it helps them to assist the Taleban and buy them weapons and supplies - that are used against your soldiers (and ours, btw, as was seen on Saturday). America allows itself to get betrayed. Pakistan is no ally of yours - but a traitor. Partially he hides his treachery, but partially you accept to get deceived, so that illusions must not be given up you meanwhile grew fond of.

Ok, I meant that it is doing nothing to help. The funding does need to be stopped, though.

Skybird · 05-20-07, 05:29 PM

Could it be...?

Wonder and miracle! :hmm: For once, we agree!

Happy Times · 05-20-07, 11:51 PM

How could you not

Now what about that Saudi Arabia...:hmm:

05-20-07, 09:04 AM	#2
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	"And if our "staunch ally" Afghanistan goes to war with "staunch ally" Pakistan which "staunch ally" do we help? What a tangled web we weave, when e'er we practice to deceive. And how much more tangled the web of entangling alliances, when e'er we practice to deceive not others, but ourselves." - Hugh Fitzgerald, Jihad Watch, comment on Musharraf acknowledges Islamic militancy rising as Lal Masjid jihadists abduct 4 police officers. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

05-20-07, 05:04 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,778 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Give Pakistan money, and part of it will directly end in the Taleban's funding. That simple. Musharaf is fighting for his own survival. He is by far not the master in his house. Huge parts of their secret service and military and officers have great sympathy for the Taleban. Also, the Pakistan military is too weak for the tribes in the west and Southwest. They got a bashing years before, and they got a bashing again recently when trying to establish control over these places. You are wrong when saying the money you give them does nothing and should stop. It does very much. What it does is that it helps them to assist the Taleban and buy them weapons and supplies - that are used against your soldiers (and ours, btw, as was seen on Saturday). America allows itself to get betrayed. Pakistan is no ally of yours - but a traitor. Partially he hides his treachery, but partially you accept to get deceived, so that illusions must not be given up you meanwhile grew fond of. Treachery and deception always takes two. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-20-07, 05:29 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,778 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Could it be...? Wonder and miracle! :hmm: For once, we agree! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-20-07, 11:51 PM	#7
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	How could you not Now what about that Saudi Arabia...:hmm: __________________