NEWS regarding 1.3 - Page 6

FIREWALL · 05-18-07, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

First, I bought SH1-IV, enjoyed them all. The problem with this is not the fact that it is only a "game", it is that we paid good money(I have kids, it's good money) for a product that is not complete regardless of the reason. This is becoming far too common among developers lately. I do not expect a bugless game, that is virtually impossible, but the way this game was released with the manual not matching the game and many features either broken or not functional is not acceptable. A class action lawsuit may actually give some of the bean counters a wake up call, and if your worried about the SH franchise, I would not buy another Ubi/SH game if it is going to be like this again. I do not, however, believe that a lawsuit would achieve anything here. The big companies like FakeAtari/ EA/Ubi obviously are oblivious to anything other than the bottomline, which means SHIV is probably done. Many people say "whiner", or its only a game, but it is the principle of it. They(UBI) need to fix atleast the main issue Neal brought up and that should bring SHIV upto SHIII 1.4b level. Although it should not be left to modders to "fix" a game, only enhance or upgrade as GWX and the like have done.

First off Welcome Aboard

Alot of us preordered so UBISOFT got alot of money up front.

I also agree it's not up to the modders to fix the game with or with the SDK. I don't recall in UBISOFTS hype advertiseing "We will be selling you
a shoddy product and it's up to you to fix it."

This won't change till we say we've had ENOUGH.

-Pv- · 05-18-07, 06:59 PM

The rumor mill whether it's the person who gets it started or those who hype it up into some loaded emotional frenzy where every word gets blown up to the size of goodyear blimps is good for message counts and web hits and little else.

I'll wait until the whole story is told before I light any fuses.
-Pv-

Nightmare · 05-18-07, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by -Pv-

I'll wait until the whole story is told before I light any fuses.
-Pv-

AudibleKnight is about as straight from the horses mouth as you can get with Ubi. He is US Ubisoft Community Manager afterall.

Radioshow · 05-18-07, 07:04 PM

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

-Pv- · 05-18-07, 07:07 PM

I stand on my point. We've not heard all or the final story on SH4.
-Pv-

FIREWALL · 05-18-07, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Keep posting ... everone is entitled to voice their opinion.

Stew U-582 · 05-18-07, 08:00 PM

It looks like sales are down and they cant justify another patch.

But I cant understand how they are going to increase sales with a product that doesnt work properly.

please fix the radar and manual speed issues

AVGWarhawk · 05-18-07, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there

FIREWALL · 05-18-07, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there

Don't give up the ship AVG. sh4 ... OK

can't blame ya.

Donavan · 05-18-07, 08:26 PM

Don't get me wrong when I criticize UBI.

Modders rock, they take a beta and make it playable. They don't charge for their content. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for their efforts to make betas playable. They love the genre as we all do and work hard for us all.

I'm sticking to my guns this time. I will never buy a beta game again. I'll wait like I posted earlier. It will suck because I love war sims. But I'm tired of paying for slack products.

Imagine how p*ssed you'd be if modders didn't help with these games. I salute them all.

AVGWarhawk · 05-18-07, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there

Don't give up the ship AVG. sh4 ... OK

can't blame ya.

I'm not brother! I love the game. I love this forum and all the guys who post. But really, the tools of the US Submarine trade are broken. It is like fixing a car with fork and spoon. You need the tools of that trade also. I just want my radar fixed. I'm good with the rest of it. I'm a little miffed we have to grovel to get this repaired. I wondering if their next title Wings of War will include the wings. After reading AudibleKnights post several times I feel like we are throwing ourselves on the mercy of the court. BTW, the grass is greener in my pasture and the manure is a litte more ripe

Jmack · 05-18-07, 08:29 PM

so it ends like this ...

AVGWarhawk · 05-18-07, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmack

so it ends like this ...

Well no, apparently we need to beg or something. Anyway, go vote

on the poll. Then at least we can say we tried our very best. Other than that, I do enjoy the game in the current state but in all reality, another patch to fix the essentials can not be that difficult nor time consuming.

FIREWALL · 05-18-07, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Jmack

so it ends like this ...

Well no, apparently we need to beg or something. Anyway, go vote

on the poll. Then at least we can say we tried our very best. Other than that, I do enjoy the game in the current state but in all reality, another patch to fix the essentials can not be that difficult nor time consuming.

I don't think we should be saying the modders will fix it when they don't have or are given the right tools to fix it. Why should are modders be useing up their unpaid time to fix something when they can be modding ?

To say are modders will fix it is a copout. You paid for a game don't
beg... Demand they fix it.

Jmack · 05-18-07, 08:49 PM

well i saw people get in trouble with the justice for allot less than this !!! releasing an unfinished program ... and i bet they knew about it !!!
they HAVE to fix it , they should not have released the game in the first place like it is currently and even after 1.2 ... who the hell where the Beta testers for this , how can they give green light for this ???

if they dont want to fix it ... well let the right people do it !!

im shure most of us after having paid 50€ for this ... would not mind to pay for a cd made by our modding community its just a matter of organizing stuff

05-18-07, 08:00 PM	#82
Stew U-582 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 266 Downloads: 242 Uploads: 0	It looks like sales are down and they cant justify another patch. But I cant understand how they are going to increase sales with a product that doesnt work properly. please fix the radar and manual speed issues __________________ Captain Stu from Down Under , Down Under

05-18-07, 08:29 PM	#87
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	so it ends like this ... __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

05-18-07, 08:49 PM	#90
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	well i saw people get in trouble with the justice for allot less than this !!! releasing an unfinished program ... and i bet they knew about it !!! they HAVE to fix it , they should not have released the game in the first place like it is currently and even after 1.2 ... who the hell where the Beta testers for this , how can they give green light for this ??? if they dont want to fix it ... well let the right people do it !! im shure most of us after having paid 50€ for this ... would not mind to pay for a cd made by our modding community its just a matter of organizing stuff __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

05-18-07, 06:59 PM	#77
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The rumor mill whether it's the person who gets it started or those who hype it up into some loaded emotional frenzy where every word gets blown up to the size of goodyear blimps is good for message counts and web hits and little else. I'll wait until the whole story is told before I light any fuses. -Pv-

05-18-07, 07:04 PM	#79
Radioshow Bosun Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims. P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!! Cheers!!

05-18-07, 07:07 PM	#80
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I stand on my point. We've not heard all or the final story on SH4. -Pv-

05-18-07, 08:26 PM	#85
Donavan Seaman Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 31 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't get me wrong when I criticize UBI. Modders rock, they take a beta and make it playable. They don't charge for their content. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for their efforts to make betas playable. They love the genre as we all do and work hard for us all. I'm sticking to my guns this time. I will never buy a beta game again. I'll wait like I posted earlier. It will suck because I love war sims. But I'm tired of paying for slack products. Imagine how p*ssed you'd be if modders didn't help with these games. I salute them all.