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If you want to make sure that Ubisoft never make another sub sim again then go for it. I don't know the validity of a potential legal claim against Ubisoft, but I do know that they don't make much profit from the Silent Hunter series.
Before people start throwing out numbers based on 300,000 sales of Silent Hunter 3 at $49, please understand that $49 is the retail price that you pay and not the price that the stores pay ubisoft in order to sell the product. My view is that this would be a foolish venture. |
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Exactly what I've said regarding the 1.3 patch... UBI targeted SH4 at the main public for a reason... And this lawsuit will be just for the good of this little group of 100%-realism-and-historically-correct SH4 skippers and noone else
Just how I see it
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Who governs and holds a publisher responsible for their work anyway?
I think that's the deeper issue. I don't think it would be fair to single out any one particular publisher if many others work the same way. |
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I'm only certain about one thing: When it comes to suing in the courts, lawyers always win. They will get their money no matter if you win or lose. ![]() So at best suing will make a lawyer happy and get your money back. You will still not have a working SH4, and any remote chance of UBI fixing it or a future SH5 will dissapear. ![]()
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Sorry guys...I guess I'm just not as upset as some of you about this whole patch thing. I have more important things going on in my life without worrying about some court case for a game patch?
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And yeah! We sue them? No more SH games....Is that truly worth a law suit over a goddamn patch that 9 times out of 10 they will probobly release anyway. |
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"Your honor, my clinets have been caused needless suffering and emotional distress by Ubisoft's failure to satisfy their needs for perfection in gaming. We demand our just recourse."
"What kinds of problems exist with the product, Counselor?" "Your Honor, we feel that the games realism is a sham, the training provided by Ubisoft is lacking, and the game itself causes frustration." "So let me get this straight.....people that sit at a PC for hours at a time pretending to be WWII submarine skippers are upset because of a lack of realism?" "Exactly your Honor". "OK....and they are upset because the radar doesn't work properly 24/7? And the torpedo tracking doesn't work on the little maps?" "Yes your Honor, it's a terribly frustrating situation to be in." "I see....people involved in a role playing game are frustrated. Have you filed a similar suit against Mother Nature by any chance?" |
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stop fretting... there'll be another patch.
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Don't kid yourself you think a lawyer couldn't make a case!
If some women could sue MC D's over being dumb enough to dump hot coffee on herself...well, we all know how that turned out! The question is "should UBI be sued" I guess if you want another SH bad enough than no they shouldn't, but if you think the next SH will be half baked, features missing or don't work, than yea! they should be sued. That assumes there are any plans for another SH in the first place. One thing all can agree on, SHIV should never have been released in the condition it was in! Some of it was so obviously bugged...one wonders if it wasn't intentional! ![]() |
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Something like this may be inevitable. Consumers will only take the 'release now, patch later' business practice for so long before they decide to do something about it. I would hope so anyway.
I know I personally like to have the products I buy work correctly out of the box. If, for example, your new video card didn't work 100% out of the box you'd take it back without question. Just because we're now talking about a piece of software doesn't make any difference imho. It should still work 100% at the time of purchase and we shouldn't have to wait X months after purchase before it does. |
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Yeah, this has my vote of "bad idea." Ubi would suffer, the dev's would suffer (no more sub sims through Ubi), and we'd suffer. The lawyers would probably be the only ones that make out.
I don't know if this has been said yet (and I'm trying to keep this from flaming), but anybody who figures SH4 doesn't make the cut are more than free to help out on the Danger From The Deep project (dangerdeep.sourceforge.net). If SH4 is bad enough to frustrate you to the point of wanting to sue, take that frustration and redirect it to a good purpose. |
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I take the point publishers dont make a lot of money from these games, but thats hardly surprising given the average experience you get (joy and skull-cracking frustration in equal measure). I'm amazed PC games sell as much as they do given the hassle involved in playing them.
MaxT - I'm no hardcore sim-head and have never play a sub game before, so I guess i'm your 'main public'. I don't want 100% realism, I want enjoyment. I can say for the record that I wouldn't buy another SH game if it was in this state. For a start, the absence of any tutorial will put off most mainstream gamers (the game 'tutorials' are just mini missions, a tutorial actually teaches you how to do things). The real problem thats killing my enjoyment is the problem of repeating missions - being asked to patrol of Honshu for the 4th running is starting to bore me. Such an easy bug to fix! Having read through this (excellent) forum I've tracked down Trigger Maru and hopefully that will fix it (once I've figured out how to install it). Point is though that when the average PC game requires you to go to all this effort just to get a DECENT game experience, its never going to draw in enough people to make big money. Years of effort making teriffic games are spoilt by releasing them a couple of months early. Oh and Fredbass - 'Who governs and holds a publisher responsible for their work anyway?' Consumer Rights laws. Every country has them. They say that when you buy a product its supposed to be in 'good working order' or similar. Although thats open to interpretation, in my humble experience a lot of PC games arent, SHIV included |
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Yawn, I wondered how long we'd have to wait for the 'class action' thread.
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