Beautiful Reflections and water by accident - Page 4

Reece · 05-17-07, 07:15 AM

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Just speaking for the GWX mod effort though... we will not be using SH4 files, to prevent legal concerns.

Individuals who own both copies and perform these changes for their own personal installations, I think would be safe enough.

Obviously correct Kpt, this is purely for those with both versions, once things have been worked out (if possable or viable) will produce a set of guidelines for others with both versions to follow.

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I will make some testing and Exper, 2
guys ....

Excellent JCW, I have tried a lot of things & come to the conclusion that editing SHIII's scene.dat file to include the new features/files used in SHIV's Misc folder would be the way to go. Everyone seems to be a little secretive about the program used to edit this file, mind you it's probably out of my league anyway!!

Eager to hear about your findings.

Edit: I forgot to mention that renaming the original SHIII Misc folder produces a different result to useing mod enabler & copying over the top.

CaptainNemo12 · 05-17-07, 04:56 PM

These waters look beautiful!!!

05-17-07, 08:21 PM

Reece

Edit: I forgot to mention that renaming the original SHIII Misc folder produces a different result to useing mod enabler & copying over the top.[/quote]

so does it work both ways and which way gives you the best result?

Jmack · 05-17-07, 08:26 PM

this is very interesting stuff ... opens allot of possibilities

Reece · 05-17-07, 10:24 PM

@Webster, try it and see, just copying over the top SHIII will still use, by preference, the SHII tga files. To get the SHIV water I think only requires a few SHIV Misc files, but at this stage unless we can get the scene.dat edited to suit SHIII then I think it's a lost cause.

Can anyone tell me where to get the dat file editor, what do people like Seeadler use to edit this file, surely not just a hex editor & guess work!!

Wish I could get a hold of Kashmir!

Reece · 05-18-07, 01:42 AM

What I did was to use minitweaker to get SHIV's scene.dat settings & then set SHIII's to the same, this ended up with almost identical to SHIV's water etc without any of their files, no vortex problem, however it also showed up the errors with wave height, "boats appearing to go over land" etc, all we have to do now is extract the relevent settings or even do the reversal to the SHIV's scene.dat (except would still have the vortex problem).

Some snapshots:

Same again with different EnvColors, (still SHIII):

All in All getting somewhere!

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 03:14 AM

Based on one of your previous posts... I'm not sure how the sky vortex bug returned if you are using a Scene.dat file from GWX.

This also suggests that the moon reflection on the water would again be removed.

Just sounds like a stock Scene.dat file is in use is all.

Also, if you use the Env .dat files from GWX you should also be able to retain the proper sun reflection on the water.

Now, tweaker settings/adjustments inspired by SH4... sans direct importation of SH4 files... does sound promising.

I hope that helps.

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 03:17 AM

PS: Something to bear in mind... if rough water is too reflective... it can look plasticky. Stormy water shouldn't be very reflective at all.

If turned into a mod... will need to produce 8km and 16km IMHO.

Reece · 05-18-07, 04:33 AM

In post #51 I did say The Scene.dat file was SHIII & that it doesn't have the Vortex problem only the SHIV version did, the modified one is an 8k version, I'm sure it is GWX but I believe the result would be the same (I will edit that version but it does take time & post results).

The main thing is to get a base version going first!
Still a long way & JCW is testing as well, but have climbed another rung on the ladder.

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

In post #51 I did say The Scene.dat file was SHIII & that it doesn't have the Vortex problem only the SHIV version did, the modified one is an 8k version but I'm sure it is GWX but I'm sure the result would be the same (I will edit that version but it does take time & post results).

The main thing is to get a base version going first!
Still a long way & JCW is testing as well, but have climbed another rung on the ladder.

...but doesn't everyone want it all right now????? (j/k)

Just tossing my two cents in.

Letum · 05-18-07, 10:14 AM

Intresting work guys!

Reece · 05-18-07, 09:17 PM

This is the standard 8k GWX scene.dat edited with the standard tweak file (do not have the GWX version):

More testing has to be done in different weather conditions.

It probably boils down to taste & although I could do a better job (I feel) with the SHIV version I am stuck with the Vortex problem & legal concerns as Kpt L pointed out.

Reece · 05-19-07, 01:20 AM

Some more, nice white caps:

Back to testing, if anyone is interested in trying this out, let me know.

CapZap1970 · 05-19-07, 01:48 PM

Hello Reece:
I have been reading this thread since the day it started, and I must say I really like the outcome of your testings.

I would like to give it a try, but I am affraid I don't know how to do it. If you could point me in the right direction, perhaps? Is it possible to have a link to download it?
Thanks a lot and hope to hear from you soon.
CapZap

Sulikate · 05-19-07, 01:55 PM

This is coming out great! Keep it up

05-17-07, 08:26 PM	#49
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	this is very interesting stuff ... opens allot of possibilities __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

05-17-07, 10:24 PM	#50
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,944 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	@Webster, try it and see, just copying over the top SHIII will still use, by preference, the SHII tga files. To get the SHIV water I think only requires a few SHIV Misc files, but at this stage unless we can get the scene.dat edited to suit SHIII then I think it's a lost cause. Can anyone tell me where to get the dat file editor, what do people like Seeadler use to edit this file, surely not just a hex editor & guess work!! Wish I could get a hold of Kashmir! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-18-07, 03:14 AM	#52
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 7,011 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Based on one of your previous posts... I'm not sure how the sky vortex bug returned if you are using a Scene.dat file from GWX. This also suggests that the moon reflection on the water would again be removed. Just sounds like a stock Scene.dat file is in use is all. Also, if you use the Env .dat files from GWX you should also be able to retain the proper sun reflection on the water. Now, tweaker settings/adjustments inspired by SH4... sans direct importation of SH4 files... does sound promising. I hope that helps. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

05-18-07, 03:17 AM	#53
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 7,011 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	PS: Something to bear in mind... if rough water is too reflective... it can look plasticky. Stormy water shouldn't be very reflective at all. If turned into a mod... will need to produce 8km and 16km IMHO. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

05-18-07, 04:33 AM	#54
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,944 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	In post #51 I did say The Scene.dat file was SHIII & that it doesn't have the Vortex problem only the SHIV version did, the modified one is an 8k version, I'm sure it is GWX but I believe the result would be the same (I will edit that version but it does take time & post results). The main thing is to get a base version going first! Still a long way & JCW is testing as well, but have climbed another rung on the ladder. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!* Last edited by Reece; 05-18-07 at 06:48 AM.

05-17-07, 04:56 PM	#47
CaptainNemo12 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	These waters look beautiful!!!

05-17-07, 08:21 PM	#48
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	*Reece* *Edit:* I forgot to mention that renaming the original SHIII Misc folder produces a different result to useing mod enabler & copying over the top.[/quote] so does it work both ways and which way gives you the best result?

05-18-07, 01:42 AM	#51
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,944 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Great News What I did was to use minitweaker to get SHIV's scene.dat settings & then set SHIII's to the same, this ended up with almost identical to SHIV's water etc without any of their files, no vortex problem, however it also showed up the errors with wave height, "boats appearing to go over land" etc, all we have to do now is extract the relevent settings or even do the reversal to the SHIV's scene.dat (except would still have the vortex problem). Some snapshots: Same again with different EnvColors, (still SHIII): All in All getting somewhere! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!* Last edited by Reece; 05-18-07 at 01:57 AM.

05-18-07, 10:14 AM	#56
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Intresting work guys! __________________

05-18-07, 09:17 PM	#57
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,944 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	This is the standard 8k GWX scene.dat edited with the standard tweak file (do not have the GWX version): More testing has to be done in different weather conditions. It probably boils down to taste & although I could do a better job (I feel) with the SHIV version I am stuck with the Vortex problem & legal concerns as *Kpt L* pointed out. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-19-07, 01:20 AM	#58
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,944 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Some more, nice white caps: Back to testing, if anyone is interested in trying this out, let me know. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-19-07, 01:48 PM	#59
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 277 Uploads: 51	Hello Reece: I have been reading this thread since the day it started, and I must say I really like the outcome of your testings. I would like to give it a try, but I am affraid I don't know how to do it. If you could point me in the right direction, perhaps? Is it possible to have a link to download it? Thanks a lot and hope to hear from you soon. CapZap

05-19-07, 01:55 PM	#60
Sulikate Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Korea Posts: 834 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	This is coming out great! Keep it up __________________ Se flutua e não fala quack, afunde-o!