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[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

Yes, you maybe right but SH3 started the way SH4 has. I'm affraid that eventually SH4 may end up the same way.

It will be inevitable especially as history tends to repeat itself.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by danlisa

Yes, you maybe right but SH3 started the way SH4 has. I'm affraid that eventually SH4 may end up the same way.

It will be inevitable especially as history tends to repeat itself.

The entire situation over there is a result of the mod wars between two rival factions. We dont have that here, and hopefully never will. Sh3 modding to me is forever tainted by it, and frankly i see the current "ethics" thread over there as just another play for more power and clout. Not a conicidence its been instigated by a social clich that is tantamount to a special interest group. Too much politics.

I came here to make the game better, not haggle over personal glory.

My 2 cents. Instant this place gets drama remincent of the Sh3 modding past, im outta here.

[danlisa]

I hope you're right but do you not see an eventuality where there will be modding teams each aiming to produce the best package?

I really think it's a sure thing, it's the natural evolution, from many individual mods to a couple of 'supermods'.

Nothing more than that really and some of the nasties may or may not come with it.

[Ducimus]

Well, right now theres me and Berry. Ive been doing my best to stay out of his end of the swimming pool and not make any snide comments Hell, i even offered to help him with something. He turned me down, but i did try to extend the offer as to keep the ice from forimg. He has his aims, i have mine, and ive been doing my best to respect that. Hopefuly he does the same, and as so far (I think) he has. I honestlly dont think anyone wants to see a factionalization based on mod pack.

At any rate, im just going to keep hoping the air in this forum remains clear with free creativity without all the little stuff like. Worries of plagurims or, withholding information from the community on how to better the game so your mod pack looks that much better and/or so the other guy doesnt use it first to do the same. Withholding mods or how to create said mods from the community never sat well with me.

By and large, REAL ethical issues are minority incidents on subsim. Since ive been posting on Subsim, I can recall only a grand total of THREE, at best. I really think the best way to handle ethics is simply to not plagurize, and look at possible plagurisaztion on a case by case basis. Its not like its a common occurerence here.

[MaxT.dk]

.oO( someone should close or del this thread before ppl go nuts... )

[Ducimus]

Im surpised it hasnt already. After what i just said, i expect a 400 pound gorlilla to jump on my back at any moment.

[U-Bones]

Nothing on this end of the pool a good patch wouldn't fix

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The entire situation over there is a result of the mod wars between two rival factions. We dont have that here, and hopefully never will. Sh3 modding to me is forever tainted by it, and frankly i see the current "ethics" thread over there as just another play for more power and clout. Not a conicidence its been instigated by a social clich that is tantamount to a special interest group. Too much politics.

I came here to make the game better, not haggle over personal glory.

My 2 cents. Instant this place gets drama remincent of the Sh3 modding past, im outta here.

Utter hypocrisy and self-righteousness, Ducimus. Your arrogance and enormous juvenile ego never cease to amaze me. You stir the pot over and over while stuffing popcorn in your face and enjoy fanning the flames any chance you get... (you've stated as much yourself) You were eyeball deep in the politics of SH3 modding... just as you are now... for your personal glory.

Politics? Cloak and dagger? You have already gone there and you are eyeball deep in it. Should we hold the hatch open for you? Or are you quick enough to keep it from hitting your butt.

Don't make me embarrass you.

As far as you "quitting" whenever things get dicey... nothing new there, little boy. You'd be back in a few days just like the other times things weren't going your way and you "quit." So GROW UP.

Now, no matter what your reductionist and self serving spin on things may be this week... that discussion over there in "SH3 land" is meant for every modding workshop here at SS in the hopes of preventing some pretty basic problems... not for preventing competition or to "stifle" modding. I think it will have quite the opposite effect AWAY from discouraging new modding... and it is NOT a congressional feud... as much as you may like to make it out to be so.

It is a good thing, not the negative thing you'd like it to be, with every effort to remove "agenda" from the equation in that thread, It is meant to create a better environment moving forward, for all modders including you.

Seriously, people complain and complain and do nothing to try and solve real problems. Wake up, smell the coffee, and get off your high horse. You put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us here.