The Ultimate Subsim...

[Sea Demon]

I'd like to simulate the Halibut, Seawolf (the older 1960's one), and USS Nautilus in her earlier days.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Thats cause I like WWII history, I don't care if its overdone;

That's my response whenever someone says WWII is overdone. I can't get enough of it .

[bookworm_020]

What about a subsime where you could play any country that had a sub?:hmm: Be a Brit in the Med, A Yank in the Pacific, a Japanese sub in the indian Ocean, A dutch sub making her way to Australia or a German in the Artic?

Now that would be a game!

[DanCanovas]

Originally Posted by Hartmann

would be nice a cold war sim or modern subsim.

A nuke submarine with all compartments modelled, and sh4 graphics ,a full dinamic campaign where one can go everywhere tracking contacts, stalking task forces or deploy special ops...

I agree! you'd have to have some hot war scenarios too to liven things up a bit! or MMO Modern Sub Sim hehe! you choose your country and you have to earn upgrades and better subs! you start in a SSK of some sort or maybe even a small surface vessel, you have to earn your first sub! and those who have been playing a year or so might end up with an Akula or something if you pick Russia, or an Astute if you pick UK.! sorry im just fantasising now :rotfl:

[HunterICX]

what about a WW2 Naval Sim
with Surface ships running the SH engine

Destroyers, Cruisers, battleships comon! Aircraft carriers

that would be cool

beeing on the chase after the bismarck , fending off airplanes in the Yamoto .

[DanCanovas]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

what about a WW2 Naval Sim
with Surface ships running the SH engine

Destroyers, Cruisers, battleships comon! Aircraft carriers

that would be cool

beeing on the chase after the bismarck , fending off airplanes in the Yamoto .

Isn't that like Battlestations Midway, im only really interested in subs.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Chock

One other idea I had was a kind of semi-what if scenario... I'm sure you've all heard the rumours about the supposed limited secret war between submarines that allegedly took place in 1968?

I bet that would make a good game/sim.

no???

[Chock]

Okay then, if you've never heard of the supposed 'mini submarine war' that took place in 1968, here's the background to the rumour(s):

In 1968, several submarines went missing, amongst these were: the Israeli submarine Dakar, the French sub Minerve, also the US sub Scorpion and at least one Soviet Golf II class submarine, probably more Soviet ones too. There may have been others too, but since we are talking about the height of the Cold War, and the Silent Service, it's impossible to say whether there were more casualties or not. The Vietnam war was at its peak, at least from a point of view of prominence in the American psyche at this time, and it has been speculated that much of this took the attention away from all of these sub events.

Rumours have circulated in the submarine service for years about the notion that a sub conflict may have taken place, the general theory being that the tracking and cat and mouse games that submarines played were somehow escalated, but that since the subs were effectively out of contact with their home bases, this prevented things from escalating further.

This might of course not be true at all, but there are several books on the subject, the ones I personally know of are 'To kill the Potemkin' written by Mark Joseph which is a fictionalised account based on the theory, and Red Star Rogue, a book which suggests that a rogue Soviet ballistic missile submarine, K-129, was either lost or sunk while attempting to launch a nuclear missile at Pearl Harbor. This apparently whilst pretending to be a Chinese submarine in an attempt to provoke a war between the US and China. It's believed that this rumour/event is the basis for Tom Clancy's The Hunt for Red October.

[DanCanovas]

Originally Posted by Chock

Okay then, if you've never heard of the supposed 'mini submarine war' that took place in 1968, here's the background to the rumour(s):

In 1968, several submarines went missing, amongst these were: the Israeli submarine Dakar, the French sub Minerve, also the US sub Scorpion and at least one Soviet Golf II class submarine, probably more Soviet ones too. There may have been others too, but since we are talking about the height of the Cold War, and the Silent Service, it's impossible to say whether there were more casualties or not. The Vietnam war was at its peak, at least from a point of view of prominence in the American psyche at this time, and it has been speculated that much of this took the attention away from all of these sub events.

Rumours have circulated in the submarine service for years about the notion that a sub conflict may have taken place, the general theory being that the tracking and cat and mouse games that submarines played were somehow escalated, but that since the subs were effectively out of contact with their home bases, this prevented things from escalating further.

This might of course not be true at all, but there are several books on the subject, the ones I personally know of are 'To kill the Potemkin' written by Mark Joseph which is a fictionalised account based on the theory, and Red Star Rogue, a book which suggests that a rogue Soviet ballistic missile submarine, K-129, was either lost or sunk while attempting to launch a nuclear missile at Pearl Harbor. This apparently whilst pretending to be a Chinese submarine in an attempt to provoke a war between the US and China. It's believed that this rumour/event is the basis for Tom Clancy's The Hunt for Red October.

And thw new book "scorpion down" which supposedly uncovers evidence that the Scorpion was actually sunk by the Soviets! gonna buy this book asap!

[Heibges]

A wwii subsim where there the contacts spawn in relationship to the player, as opposed to placing contacts and have the player try to find them.

[Camaero]

Originally Posted by DanCanovas

And thw new book "scorpion down" which supposedly uncovers evidence that the Scorpion was actually sunk by the Soviets! gonna buy this book asap!

That whole story is very interesting. A Soviet sub determined to to nuke Pearl.... This is the background to the book Red Star Rogue:

Early in 1968 a nuclear-armed Soviet submarine sank in the waters off Hawaii, hundreds of miles closer to American shores than it should have been. Compelling evidence, assembled here for the first time, strongly suggests that the sub, K-129, sank while attempting to fire a nuclear missile, most likely at the naval base at Pearl Harbor.

We now know that the Russian's had lost track of the sub; it had become a rogue. While the Soviets searched in vain for the boat, U.S. intelligence was quickly able to pinpoint the site of the disaster. The new Nixon administration launched a clandestine, half-billion-dollar project to recover the sunken K-129. Contrary to years of deliberately misleading reports, the recovery operation was a great success. With the recovery of the submarine, it became clear that the rogue was attempting to mimic a Chinese sub, almost certainly with the intention of provoking a war between the U.S. and China. This was a carefully planned operation that, had it succeeded, would have had devastating consequences. During the successful recovery effort of K-129, the U.S. forged new relationships with the USSR and China. Could the information gleaned from the sunken submarine have been a decisive factor shaping the new policies of détente between the Americans and the Soviets, and opening China to the West? And who in the USSR could have planned such a bold and potentially catastrophic operation?

http://www.submarinebooks.com/RedStar.htm

I know i'm getting off topic on my own thread here, but it is still an interesting off topic!