Helmsman mod - Page 2

jcalonso · 05-12-07, 11:27 AM

Going back to the original purpose of this trend, it would be pretty cool if someone could model the rudderman in its conning tower position near the attack scope. It will involve some remodelling of the attack scope room and the inclusion of the planesman pushing the rudder hydraulic buttons. I'm pretty sure there is some modellers out there who can do this without much trouble.... Diving Duck...Anvart...?????

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 05-12-07, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mr chris

U-boote Westvarts was filmed aboard U124 or 123 i belive.

i guess it will be U-124.
i have a book of U-124 and i guess it is based on the film

Argus · 01-04-08, 05:29 AM

AFAIK there were two stations for the helmsman: one in the tower and the usual one shown on my picture of the control room. A handwheel existed in the rear torpedo room for emergencies only (the one that can be seen in jcalonso's post or here.

The station in the control room was only used while the boat was submerged. The bulkhead to the conning tower was closed during this time.

I remember a book where the captain was very angry on one of his look-outs (? = "Wachoffizier"), when he hadn't closed the upper bulkhead of the conning tower properly. While the boat was submerged the tower compartment was filled up with water and the captain feared that he had to abort the whole mission, because of the damage that could have been caused by the water. Because the lower bulkhead (into the command room) was closed, no water inrush occured. After they reached the surface again they had to drain the tower into the command room but no helmsman *in* the tower was drowned.

But SH3 got it somewhat right not to show the helmsman at the position in the control room, because usually the uboats of that time travelled not submerged, so the helmsman was in the conning tower.

Coming back to the beginning of this thread: a mod would have to model both situations: on the surface and submerged. The helmsman would have to sit in different positions ... and this would mean a second mod of the tower would be needed too. :hmm:

01-04-08, 07:03 AM

Regarding the position of the helmsman: IIRC, there were actually three positions for steering the boat. A small box with 2 levers on top (similar to the controls used by the planesmen) was located (1) on top of the conning tower, (2) in the conning tower along with the TDC and attack scope, and (3) in the control room facing forward near the planesman.

Look for a small box with two levers on top and BBC on the front. The rudder was controlled by pressing the levers on top. The letters "BBC" represented the company that manufactured the control box.

There was also an emergency control in the aft torpedo room; this was a wheel not a control box since it was to be used when the electric control boxes failed.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 01-04-08, 02:35 PM

It turns out that the rudder control postions are modeled in SH3!! Theres the one in the control room, in the conning tower, and one on the bridge. Its just none of these are used in game, or theres not a person manning that station.

gimpy117 · 01-04-08, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

It turns out that the rudder control postions are modeled in SH3!! Theres the one in the control room, in the conning tower, and one on the bridge. Its just none of these are used in game, or theres not a person manning that station.

lets throw some creman in there! could we add a whole new room for the coning tower compartment?

and by the way, the conning tower compartment is the natural place for helmsman, it's between the two main stations that the captian/officer in command would be during opertation. so, all one would need to do is either pass a message i compartment up or down when it was desired to change rudder position.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 01-04-08, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

It turns out that the rudder control postions are modeled in SH3!! Theres the one in the control room, in the conning tower, and one on the bridge. Its just none of these are used in game, or theres not a person manning that station.

lets throw some creman in there! could we add a whole new room for the coning tower compartment?

and by the way, the conning tower compartment is the natural place for helmsman, it's between the two main stations that the captian/officer in command would be during opertation. so, all one would need to do is either pass a message i compartment up or down when it was desired to change rudder position.

All we need to do is model a bucket chair in the conn and get someone up there and there we go!

gimpy117 · 01-04-08, 11:23 PM

well sorry i cant render much more help other than moral support.
but hopefully we can put it in, it will be a lot more realistic and you'd feel less lonely in that conning tower.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 01-05-08, 01:10 AM

Well Gimpy117 every thouht helps. I wish I could but I have no experiance to make something like that. Maybe someone elese could. *cough*Racerboy*cough*

05-12-07, 11:27 AM	#16
jcalonso Watch Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Venezuela Posts: 28 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	Helmsman mod Going back to the original purpose of this trend, it would be pretty cool if someone could model the rudderman in its conning tower position near the attack scope. It will involve some remodelling of the attack scope room and the inclusion of the planesman pushing the rudder hydraulic buttons. I'm pretty sure there is some modellers out there who can do this without much trouble.... Diving Duck...Anvart...?????

01-04-08, 05:29 AM	#18
Argus Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Duesseldorf Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AFAIK there were two stations for the helmsman: one in the tower and the usual one shown on my picture of the control room. A handwheel existed in the rear torpedo room for emergencies only (the one that can be seen in jcalonso's post or here. The station in the control room was only used while the boat was submerged. The bulkhead to the conning tower was closed during this time. I remember a book where the captain was very angry on one of his look-outs (? = "Wachoffizier"), when he hadn't closed the upper bulkhead of the conning tower properly. While the boat was submerged the tower compartment was filled up with water and the captain feared that he had to abort the whole mission, because of the damage that could have been caused by the water. Because the lower bulkhead (into the command room) was closed, no water inrush occured. After they reached the surface again they had to drain the tower into the command room but no helmsman in the tower was drowned. But SH3 got it somewhat right not to show the helmsman at the position in the control room, because usually the uboats of that time travelled not submerged, so the helmsman was in the conning tower. Coming back to the beginning of this thread: a mod would have to model both situations: on the surface and submerged. The helmsman would have to sit in different positions ... and this would mean a second mod of the tower would be needed too. :hmm: __________________ -- Tutorial, Tipps & Tricks in Deutsch zu Dangerous Waters: http://www.space-port.de/dw/

01-04-08, 02:35 PM	#20
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,281 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	It turns out that the rudder control postions are modeled in SH3!! Theres the one in the control room, in the conning tower, and one on the bridge. Its just none of these are used in game, or theres not a person manning that station. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

01-05-08, 01:10 AM	#24
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,281 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Well Gimpy117 every thouht helps. I wish I could but I have no experiance to make something like that. Maybe someone elese could. coughRacerboycough __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

01-04-08, 07:03 AM	#19
von Zelda Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Regarding the position of the helmsman: IIRC, there were actually three positions for steering the boat. A small box with 2 levers on top (similar to the controls used by the planesmen) was located (1) on top of the conning tower, (2) in the conning tower along with the TDC and attack scope, and (3) in the control room facing forward near the planesman. Look for a small box with two levers on top and BBC on the front. The rudder was controlled by pressing the levers on top. The letters "BBC" represented the company that manufactured the control box. There was also an emergency control in the aft torpedo room; this was a wheel not a control box since it was to be used when the electric control boxes failed.

01-04-08, 11:23 PM	#23
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	well sorry i cant render much more help other than moral support. but hopefully we can put it in, it will be a lot more realistic and you'd feel less lonely in that conning tower.