Pizza store Heroics concern "Safety Watchdog"

You don't see too many robberies at gun stores. All the sales people are armed.

What does that say about the 'common criminal'.

Criminals always seem to attack weak targets. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

If these scum bags knew that the could face armed resistance they will probably not do the crime.

[Safe-Keeper]

If you get robbed, give the robber what he wants. It's really that simple.

The argument that 'hey, he may attack me even if I cooperate' is just silly. If you engage him in combat, the chances are far higher he'll retaliate than if you just co-operate. Seriously, 'I'm afraid he wants to fight me, so I'll start a fight with him'? What?

However, the news is full of stories of petty criminals just shooting, stabbing, beating up people who were cooperating.

It's even fuller of people getting robbed without getting shot and killed.

It all comes down to what was the motivation for the crime.

I fear that many crimes are not motivated by a desire for efficient easy money but for a sense of control and what better way to demonstrate your "control" over a stranger then by hurting them.

Fearing something doesn't make it true. You need to cite some sort of viable, objective source, or you're putting yourself at risk over an unsupported assertion.

If these scum bags knew that the could face armed resistance they will probably not do the crime.

Poor argument. What it comes down to is that your money is not worth your health. Also, there's no real way of knowing you're outgunning your foe. There could be more robbers nearby. He could be carrying a concealed weapon. He could be stronger than he looks, or even proficient at martial arts.

Also, if you know you'll face armed resistance and you still plan a robbery, you'll just show up more heavily armed. An arms race with criminals is not something I want to get into.

Even so, tragedy is still better than slaughterhouse. On the other hand, if the criminal will murder someone and he can be successfully stopped inaction is a transgression itself.

I respect your opinion and your decisions, but still, there's no way of knowing what the criminal intends. If he does not want a fight and you start one, people get hurt needlessly. Of course the opposite holds true also, but I feel passivity is the better way to go, both short-term and long-term.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I respect your opinion and your decisions, but still, there's no way of knowing what the criminal intends. If he does not want a fight and you start one, people get hurt needlessly. Of course the opposite holds true also, but I feel passivity is the better way to go, both short-term and long-term.

Indeed, if you start a fight and fail causing death then it's exactly as being able to prevent it and not doing it. The only time you know for sure is when somebody is actually harmed. That can also be the window of opportunity if while in doing so the aggressor distracts himself. If not, then it doesn't really matter. Besides, it's by playing nice, afraid and scared that you'll get your element of surprise, if that chance ever comes up. Reacting successfully requires having the advantage, without it the best option is definitely to stay put.

I hope I didn't left such a big hole in my post.

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If these scum bags knew that the could face armed resistance they will probably not do the crime.
Poor argument. What it comes down to is that your money is not worth your health. Also, there's no real way of knowing you're outgunning your foe. There could be more robbers nearby. He could be carrying a concealed weapon. He could be stronger than he looks, or even proficient at martial arts.

Its a great argument! It is called deterence and it kept The Soviets out of Europe for 50 years. The same deterents can and do (gun stores) prevent crime. Why else do the police carry firearms? The threat of deadly physical force is a strong deterent.

Martial arts. You have seen too many films and cop shows. If you can show any evidence that the human body can stop a bullet I'd love to see it.
The classic Weaver stance you see in film or on TV isn't what anyone properly trained is going to use. That technique is good at 20 to 40 feet. CQC with a handgun is something quite different and no round house kick is going to stop the bullet. Also an actual fire arm is much, much more striking as far as noise is concerned. If the assailant is not killed with the first shot, likely, the noise itself will set him/her back.

Fire arms are a deterent much like nuclear anihilalation is. A bullet can also be anihilalation for the criminal.

[d@rk51d3]

Dead thugs tell no tales.

[FIREWALL]

And that fata$$ed beauracrat mutt is going to say anything to justify her cushey job. The employees saw their advantage and took it.