[TEC] Does the AI detect and react to torpedo wakes?

tater · 05-09-07, 11:54 PM

There is a short thread about this at ubi. Someone posted that the AI do reaction, but when the torpedo is so close (like 100 yards) it is too late to matter. Has anyone observed this, and what setting would control this? Is it related to the visual "sensor?"

epaga · 05-10-07, 01:36 AM

I'm almost certain ships react - yesterday, I had one case where as soon as I fired a torpedo, the ship sped up, causing me to miss, and another case where they slowed down.

Unfortunately, other ships in the convoy don't seem to react then when you hit one - yesterday, everybody in the huge 10-12 ship convoy just sort of kept plodding along while I picked them off one after the other.

I know there's a mod for better escorts, I wish there was a mod for smarter merchant AI - reacting even better to torpedo wakes but especially to explosions.

t0maz · 05-10-07, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by epaga

I'm almost certain ships react - yesterday, I had one case where as soon as I fired a torpedo, the ship sped up, causing me to miss, and another case where they slowed down.

It is also possible that they just saw your periscope.

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Unfortunately, other ships in the convoy don't seem to react then when you hit one - yesterday, everybody in the huge 10-12 ship convoy just sort of kept plodding along while I picked them off one after the other.

I know there's a mod for better escorts, I wish there was a mod for smarter merchant AI - reacting even better to torpedo wakes but especially to explosions.

Once I hit merchant by torpedo, all merchats start zigzags like allways but when I surfaced in center of convoy and started shooting to him by deckgun there was no reaction of 3 escort ships.

They was to far to see me probably - one in front, one far to right and one far far behind on the left probably searching me after torpedo hit. My deckgun is very weak and have 30+ seconds reload time because I use RFB 1.23

I sink this ship after long time of bombarding, submerged and run away without any reaction of escort

jhelix70 · 05-10-07, 10:01 AM

In my experience, No.

Merchants don't seem to see (and react to) tracks from missed torpedoes, and the escorts don't seem to follow them to your position (like they did in SH1, eg.).

Krupp · 05-10-07, 11:30 AM

I'd say they do react. But, not always or at nights. I've seen many times during daytime submerged attacks that they start accelerating or slowing down when they spot the torpedo track. That's ok, but stopping a whole convoy to look at those tracks is too much.

tycho102 · 05-10-07, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jhelix70

In my experience, No.

Merchants don't seem to see (and react to) tracks from missed torpedoes, and the escorts don't seem to follow them to your position (like they did in SH1, eg.).

Yeah, I don't see escorts following wakes. I have had starbursts fired at me when my scope was *really* close to a merchant and figured they spotted my scope, even though I had plenty of wakes to follow from all the other boats I was shooting.

t0maz · 05-10-07, 12:44 PM

So far I also dont saw any reaction.

Bilge_Rat · 05-10-07, 02:35 PM

I have seen ships turn away once from my torpedoes. I was very close, 700 meters or so, so I dont know if they were reacting to the torps or the periscope. This was in calm waters.

However, in the 50+ torpedo attacks I have done, I only saw this once, although I rarely shoot from that close.

Der Graf Von Rudklide · 05-10-07, 03:10 PM

Yup - some ships do try to turn away from the torpedoes, i even noticed destroyers try to go full back to avoid them.

But it is the collision scripting who make them react, or if it is scripted torpedo reaction i cant tell.

The worst part as mentioned above is that the convoys stops, and the destroyers are in many cases so dumb that i sink them on 100% realisme easily.

t0maz · 05-10-07, 04:08 PM

For dump escorts u may try some mods - RFB or Kakemann's improved escorts, somwhere here is another one but I dont remeber a name.

spdklls · 05-10-07, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I have seen ships turn away once from my torpedoes. I was very close, 700 meters or so, so I dont know if they were reacting to the torps or the periscope. This was in calm waters.

However, in the 50+ torpedo attacks I have done, I only saw this once, although I rarely shoot from that close.

It would be extremely hard to see a peri head from 700 meters! I have seen ships evade my torpedoes also.

t0maz · 05-10-07, 07:28 PM

Maybe it depends from crew AI level. But Im not sure that merchants have that feature...

Krupp · 05-10-07, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by t0maz

Maybe it depends from crew AI level. But Im not sure that merchants have that feature...

There seems to be crew ratings for merchant ships too (checked from the mission editor).

Poor-novice-competent-veteran-elite.

tater · 05-10-07, 11:54 PM

Almost all merchants are set to "novice." Might be interesting to test reactions based upon skill.

Bilge_Rat · 05-11-07, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by spdklls

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I have seen ships turn away once from my torpedoes. I was very close, 700 meters or so, so I dont know if they were reacting to the torps or the periscope. This was in calm waters.

However, in the 50+ torpedo attacks I have done, I only saw this once, although I rarely shoot from that close.

It would be extremely hard to see a peri head from 700 meters! I have seen ships evade my torpedoes also.

In RL I agree, but I dont know at what visual distance ships detect you. The way the game is set up, I think ships do not react to torpedo wakes, but only to visual sightings of your boat.

05-09-07, 11:54 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	[TEC] Does the AI detect and react to torpedo wakes? There is a short thread about this at ubi. Someone posted that the AI do reaction, but when the torpedo is so close (like 100 yards) it is too late to matter. Has anyone observed this, and what setting would control this? Is it related to the visual "sensor?"

05-10-07, 11:30 AM	#5
Krupp Weps Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 351 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'd say they do react. But, not always or at nights. I've seen many times during daytime submerged attacks that they start accelerating or slowing down when they spot the torpedo track. That's ok, but stopping a whole convoy to look at those tracks is too much. __________________ "Gentlemen, we have no choice. Total engagement. Die with dignity."

05-10-07, 03:10 PM	#9
Der Graf Von Rudklide Watch Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 28 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yup - some ships do try to turn away from the torpedoes, i even noticed destroyers try to go full back to avoid them. But it is the collision scripting who make them react, or if it is scripted torpedo reaction i cant tell. The worst part as mentioned above is that the convoys stops, and the destroyers are in many cases so dumb that i sink them on 100% realisme easily. __________________ Ive played them all ever since my first Commandore C64 -

05-10-07, 01:36 AM	#2
epaga Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'm almost certain ships react - yesterday, I had one case where as soon as I fired a torpedo, the ship sped up, causing me to miss, and another case where they slowed down. Unfortunately, other ships in the convoy don't seem to react then when you hit one - yesterday, everybody in the huge 10-12 ship convoy just sort of kept plodding along while I picked them off one after the other. I know there's a mod for better escorts, I wish there was a mod for smarter merchant AI - reacting even better to torpedo wakes but especially to explosions.

05-10-07, 10:01 AM	#4
jhelix70 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 152 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	In my experience, No. Merchants don't seem to see (and react to) tracks from missed torpedoes, and the escorts don't seem to follow them to your position (like they did in SH1, eg.).

05-10-07, 12:44 PM	#7
t0maz Ensign Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 231 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	So far I also dont saw any reaction.

05-10-07, 02:35 PM	#8
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I have seen ships turn away once from my torpedoes. I was very close, 700 meters or so, so I dont know if they were reacting to the torps or the periscope. This was in calm waters. However, in the 50+ torpedo attacks I have done, I only saw this once, although I rarely shoot from that close.

05-10-07, 04:08 PM	#10
t0maz Ensign Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 231 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	For dump escorts u may try some mods - RFB or Kakemann's improved escorts, somwhere here is another one but I dont remeber a name.

05-10-07, 07:28 PM	#12
t0maz Ensign Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 231 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Maybe it depends from crew AI level. But Im not sure that merchants have that feature...

05-10-07, 11:54 PM	#14
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Almost all merchants are set to "novice." Might be interesting to test reactions based upon skill.