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Old 05-07-07, 08:37 AM   #31
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SNP now have a mandate to pull scotland further away from england and best of luck to them. I dont know of any scots personally that are happy with the union.

Similar situation in wales really. Everyone wants away from the london-centric rule.
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Old 05-07-07, 01:07 PM   #32
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About Wales and the Union Jack, when one was created the other didn't existed: http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41136&a=28728
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Old 05-07-07, 05:04 PM   #33
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About Wales and the Union Jack, when one was created the other didn't existed: http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41136&a=28728
Interesting, I didn't know that.
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Old 06-09-07, 06:37 PM   #34
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About Wales and the Union Jack, when one was created the other didn't existed: http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41136&a=28728
Interesting, I didn't know that.
The difference being, Wales was never a recognised Kingdom, but a Duchy. Scotland on the other hand was officially recognised by England as a Kingdom after the Treaty of Northampton in 1328 (Shortly before King Robert the Bruce died) despite Scotlands kingdom being older than Englands, it still took them the best part of 400 years to catch on to the idea.

The SNP did win themselves a marginal majority after our recent shambolic elections, thanks to some dis-illusioned ex-Labour voters who will never on, pain of death, vote Tory, thankfully. However, they will have a tough time getting any major move toward full idependence through the Scottish Parliament with their majority of one seat. Another problem is, as far as I know, the SNP still hasn't been able to answer certain fundamental questions concerning what happens to our infrastructure should the divorce go ahead. Do we really expect to retain an intact National Health Service, a Welfare State (God knows we needed that during the Tory years) or our Armed Forces ? I fear not.

You'll hear English people claiming that their taxes support Scotlands economy and you'll hear Scottish people claiming that England consistantly shafts Scotland when it comes to us having what they want (Oil, Water etc) but the truth is, it works both ways and always has. We need each other, like it or not. In my humble opinion (and not just mine, plenty others too) a break-up would be disastrous, not just for Scotland but for the UK as a whole. Lets face it, Britain didn't become Great till after the marriage took place.

Unity is strength, division is death...and besides, I like mushy peas and gravy with my haggis supper.
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