Salvo's

joea · 05-07-07, 12:11 PM

I wish people would stop spreading misinformation.

donut · 05-07-07, 02:13 PM

I hope humans w/knowledge have the kindness to share,& would be less almighty,bitchy old bags.

joea · 05-08-07, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by donut

I hope humans w/knowledge have the kindness to share,& would be less almighty,bitchy old bags.

Sorry I am not a bag, that said I misunderstood this thread...I thought you knew what CCIP's mod is about and you didn't realise it can open all doors and keep them open. Sorry I actually like your posts and agree with you some of the time. My apologies.

Still I have to say something about the OP which I hope won't be taken as a flame...why put the SH3 TDC which is not historical at all??? US boats did not have a salvo button, u-boats did. Also, the SHIV TDC is closer to the real thing (not perfect) than the SH3 was. Also, if you think about it, you could not open all tubes at the same time, well the same second on any sub. One or two crew would open the levers one after another it really doesn't take long. Even in SH3 the torpedoes are not fired simultaneously!!

*Awaits return fire*

spdklls · 05-08-07, 06:40 AM

I would like a mod to be able to set the angle for each tube independently, instead of having to turn the dial before each shot. This would allow a much more accurate attempt at a true salvo;(launching a group of torps with a certain degree of seperation to cover all evasive maneuvers the target may try to take). It would be nice to be able to hit the target at three or four different spots also. To be more specific, I'd like to be able to set a spread angle, have the selected tubes open doors together, and fire in rapid succession with one fire command (click the fire button one time). This is probably not historically accurate, but I think the US subs should be equally as capable as the German subs. Come on, the US had to know about the German TDC's, that's what spys were for! Sorry if this makes no sense to some, I'm having a hard time describing exactly what I want.

Nightmare · 05-08-07, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spdklls

I would like a mod to be able to set the angle for each tube independently, instead of having to turn the dial before each shot. This would allow a much more accurate attempt at a true salvo;(launching a group of torps with a certain degree of seperation to cover all evasive maneuvers the target may try to take). It would be nice to be able to hit the target at three or four different spots also. To be more specific, I'd like to be able to set a spread angle, have the selected tubes open doors together, and fire in rapid succession with one fire command (click the fire button one time). This is probably not historically accurate, but I think the US subs should be equally as capable as the German subs. Come on, the US had to know about the German TDC's, that's what spys were for! Sorry if this makes no sense to some, I'm having a hard time describing exactly what I want.

I understand what you are trying to achieve. You basically want how salvos were handled in Sh3. However, the fleet boats did not have that same control. There was only one dial on the gyro angle offset on the TDC so a new angle had to be entered after each shot, just like how it is done in game.

Previous post explaining how it worked

donut · 05-08-07, 01:30 PM

Joea, may be I'm the thin skinned old bag. Sorry pal,must be having a bad hair up my butt,Apology.

Just spoke with Hellen Wait,about patch 1.03

buteobuteo · 05-08-07, 06:48 AM

I think every-one has misunderstood what I was trying to achieve. My aim was to simulate the Captain ordering the WO to open the doors I had no intention of using SH3 TDC, it was the only way I could find t simulate it. I do not fire salvos as in SH3 I still use SH4 targeting once the doors are open,ie firing single torpedoes.

My reference to Firing salvo's and the manual targeting was because I had seen posts asking about them.

spdklls · 05-08-07, 06:59 AM

I understood what you were trying to do (get tube doors open all at once), I was just saying what I would like to see in a mod. I probably should have started a new thread.

Didn't mean to hijack this one.

AntEater · 05-08-07, 11:12 AM

This is the classical "technical sim versus captain's game" problem.
Technically, US subs had no AUTOMATIC "fan mode". In U-Boats, as modelled in SH3, there was a "Fächerschaltung" which automatically sequenced the selected tubes.
In US Boats, each tube was fired individually and gyro angle had to be set for each tube.
However, this was NOT done by the captain, whose role the player takes.
The captain ordered a spread and said "commence firing" and the whole firing sequence was handled by the XO, the TDC officer and the guy on the firing button in the tower, and as a backup by the torpedomen.
So the only difference in firing fan shots was actually that the button-pusher (

) and the TDC operator (both tasks done by the same guy in a Type VII anyway) had a little less workload as he simply threw a switch where his US counterparts had to set a multitude of switches and fire each tube by stopwatch.
But for the captain, the firing procedure was the same. Problem is, this was verbally ordered and there was no buttons for it.

05-08-07, 01:30 PM	#6
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	thin skin Joea, may be I'm the thin skinned old bag. Sorry pal,must be having a bad hair up my butt,Apology. Just spoke with Hellen Wait,about patch 1.03 Last edited by donut; 05-08-07 at 01:42 PM.

05-08-07, 06:59 AM	#8
spdklls Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I understood what you were trying to do (get tube doors open all at once), I was just saying what I would like to see in a mod. I probably should have started a new thread.Didn't mean to hijack this one.

05-08-07, 11:12 AM	#9
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is the classical "technical sim versus captain's game" problem. Technically, US subs had no AUTOMATIC "fan mode". In U-Boats, as modelled in SH3, there was a "Fächerschaltung" which automatically sequenced the selected tubes. In US Boats, each tube was fired individually and gyro angle had to be set for each tube. However, this was NOT done by the captain, whose role the player takes. The captain ordered a spread and said "commence firing" and the whole firing sequence was handled by the XO, the TDC officer and the guy on the firing button in the tower, and as a backup by the torpedomen. So the only difference in firing fan shots was actually that the button-pusher () and the TDC operator (both tasks done by the same guy in a Type VII anyway) had a little less workload as he simply threw a switch where his US counterparts had to set a multitude of switches and fire each tube by stopwatch. But for the captain, the firing procedure was the same. Problem is, this was verbally ordered and there was no buttons for it. __________________

05-07-07, 12:11 PM	#1
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I wish people would stop spreading misinformation.

05-07-07, 02:13 PM	#2
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I hope humans w/knowledge have the kindness to share,& would be less almighty,bitchy old bags.

05-08-07, 06:40 AM	#4
spdklls Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would like a mod to be able to set the angle for each tube independently, instead of having to turn the dial before each shot. This would allow a much more accurate attempt at a true salvo;(launching a group of torps with a certain degree of seperation to cover all evasive maneuvers the target may try to take). It would be nice to be able to hit the target at three or four different spots also. To be more specific, I'd like to be able to set a spread angle, have the selected tubes open doors together, and fire in rapid succession with one fire command (click the fire button one time). This is probably not historically accurate, but I think the US subs should be equally as capable as the German subs. Come on, the US had to know about the German TDC's, that's what spys were for! Sorry if this makes no sense to some, I'm having a hard time describing exactly what I want.

05-08-07, 06:48 AM	#7
buteobuteo Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 55 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think every-one has misunderstood what I was trying to achieve. My aim was to simulate the Captain ordering the WO to open the doors I had no intention of using SH3 TDC, it was the only way I could find t simulate it. I do not fire salvos as in SH3 I still use SH4 targeting once the doors are open,ie firing single torpedoes. My reference to Firing salvo's and the manual targeting was because I had seen posts asking about them.