Soviet War Memorial in Estonia

XabbaRus · 05-03-07, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

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That's a shame and quite callous. Even if the government didn't care about them no need to join them. There was a better way to do this and I believe the Estonian government deliberately chose this time of year to move it. There has been a strong upsurge of nationalism in Estonia of late with a rise of the far right.

Are you serious?! Thats BS, give me some source that isnt Russian. Russia is the only country in the region with extreme nationalism on the rise..

Really you didn't read the article in the Guardian. Sorry it was teh Guardian guess taht is too lefty liberal.

Happy Times · 05-03-07, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

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That's a shame and quite callous. Even if the government didn't care about them no need to join them. There was a better way to do this and I believe the Estonian government deliberately chose this time of year to move it. There has been a strong upsurge of nationalism in Estonia of late with a rise of the far right.

Are you serious?! Thats BS, give me some source that isnt Russian. Russia is the only country in the region with extreme nationalism on the rise..

Really you didn't read the article in the Guardian. Sorry it was teh Guardian guess taht is too lefty liberal.

It picked some events, even out of context and claimed there was large scale right wing movement in the Baltic states. Has this commie reporter written about the ultra nationalism rising in Russia..

AntEater · 05-03-07, 01:47 PM

Yes, Estonians are stubborn.
But fifth column or not, if that column is at least 25 per cent of your own population then you have two options: Yugoslavian style ethnic cleansing or some kind of modus vivendi. Problem is, ethnic cleansing isnt really that popular nowadays and not a good idea with such neighbours.
Strangely, I know both "real" Estonians and russians from there (and jews who tend to side with the russians) and I havent sofar run into any fifth columnists, monsters, terrorists or whatever.
But that over hyped nationalism does seem strange to me.
Problem is, the european Union is not Estonia's big brother to hide behind after throwing stones at the neighbour's big boy.

The sad fact remains that WW2 destroyed that unique baltic culture, where balts, swedes and germans lived together.

Happy Times · 05-03-07, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

Yes, Estonians are stubborn.
But fifth column or not, if that column is at least 25 per cent of your own population then you have two options: Yugoslavian style ethnic cleansing or some kind of modus vivendi. Problem is, ethnic cleansing isnt really that popular nowadays and not a good idea with such neighbours.
Strangely, I know both "real" Estonians and russians from there (and jews who tend to side with the russians) and I havent sofar run into any fifth columnists, monsters, terrorists or whatever.
But that over hyped nationalism does seem strange to me.
Problem is, the european Union is not Estonia's big brother to hide behind after throwing stones at the neighbour's big boy.

The sad fact remains that WW2 destroyed that unique baltic culture, where balts, swedes and germans lived together.

You really sound like you are, from a big country. Actually EU is suppose to be that big brother and Russia is testing the EU and NATO.
Im sure that the nations in the area have noticed the passive attitude from these organisations, this makes the region somewhat unstable.

05-03-07, 01:47 PM	#3
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yes, Estonians are stubborn. But fifth column or not, if that column is at least 25 per cent of your own population then you have two options: Yugoslavian style ethnic cleansing or some kind of modus vivendi. Problem is, ethnic cleansing isnt really that popular nowadays and not a good idea with such neighbours. Strangely, I know both "real" Estonians and russians from there (and jews who tend to side with the russians) and I havent sofar run into any fifth columnists, monsters, terrorists or whatever. But that over hyped nationalism does seem strange to me. Problem is, the european Union is not Estonia's big brother to hide behind after throwing stones at the neighbour's big boy. The sad fact remains that WW2 destroyed that unique baltic culture, where balts, swedes and germans lived together. __________________