Why the scarf thingy?

U-533 · 04-28-07, 08:30 AM

Has anyone noticed that all the female captives in Iran / Iraq are made to wear the scarf thing on their head?

I think the only one who didn't have a pic of her conforming was the female who was captured when her supply truck was hit and the Media made it sound like she went "Arnold Schwarzenegger" and "G.I. Jane" on some ass over there...like she fought until she ran out of ammo and had killed several thousand of Iraq's solders paving the way for her rescue and insuring she would not be raped by the solders...

Then come to find out she was hurt to bad to do anything

Why the scarf thingy...and if we take a female terrorist captive does she get to wear one or should we force her not to??????

baggygreen · 04-28-07, 08:32 AM

Its just an indicator of one groups refusal to accept differences. Well, elements of a group anyways.

Letum · 04-28-07, 09:02 AM

mm, I suspect that when the UK or US have a female captive they do not allow her to wear the veil, wich is just as bad as forceing someone to wear ir.

GlobalExplorer · 04-28-07, 09:07 AM

It annoyed me, too.

But on the other hand, I don't think it hurt her.

If you're willing to accept/understand the other culture (I know a lot of people are not), you realize it should be accepted. If we captured a female soldier from a culture that doesnt were clothes, wouldn't we force her to dress and cover her nudeness?

I am aware the analogy is an invitation for hilarity, but isn't that basically what this is about?

Platapus · 04-29-07, 12:53 PM

I remember just prior to the first Gulf war, we had female members of the military deploy to Saudi Arabia. It was explained to them that while they were free not to wear the Hajab, they would create less cultural stress if they did.

Some of our ladies choose to wear them, some refused. Looking back, it did not seem to make a difference either way. While some considered it a form of enforced sexism, others considered it a part of their culture.

In Islam, it has its roots in both the Qur'an and the Hadith.

It should be noted that other religions use headgear as symbols of their faith also

The Avon Lady · 04-29-07, 12:58 PM

I was no less bothered by the polyester suits.

The Avon Lady · 04-29-07, 01:24 PM

I've just discovered that this turns out to be a British custom.

fatty · 04-29-07, 07:26 PM

They are more stylish than orange jumpsuits and garbage bags

geetrue · 04-29-07, 10:41 PM

Even St Paul wrote that women should not enter the Christian worship services with their heads uncovered ...
to this day women in the Catholic faith adhere to this scripture in mostly orthodox churches.

As for the muslim faith I do not know, but I hear they have pretty harsh penalities for women who don't dress
entirely in the black outfits that cover you from head to toe.

Letum · 04-29-07, 11:02 PM

Interestingly Iran is having a 'crack-down' on men and women wearing western clothes and make-up. Hair gel has become popular for young men in Iran, but now they are being arrested for it.
One report claimed barbers had been told by the police not to serve anyone wearing a tie, but this proved to be a invented story.

robbo180265 · 04-30-07, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fatty

They are more stylish than orange jumpsuits and garbage bags

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The Avon Lady · 04-30-07, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Interestingly Iran is having a 'crack-down' on men and women wearing western clothes and make-up. Hair gel has become popular for young men in Iran, but now they are being arrested for it.
One report claimed barbers had been told by the police not to serve anyone wearing a tie, but this proved to be a invented story.

And I can't get a perm down the road anymore.

Letum · 04-30-07, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Interestingly Iran is having a 'crack-down' on men and women wearing western clothes and make-up. Hair gel has become popular for young men in Iran, but now they are being arrested for it.
One report claimed barbers had been told by the police not to serve anyone wearing a tie, but this proved to be a invented story.

And I can't get a perm down the road anymore.

Boo to this kind of thing!

Long live secularism, in hairdressers as well as government!
Don't ya think Avon?

The Avon Lady · 04-30-07, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Interestingly Iran is having a 'crack-down' on men and women wearing western clothes and make-up. Hair gel has become popular for young men in Iran, but now they are being arrested for it.
One report claimed barbers had been told by the police not to serve anyone wearing a tie, but this proved to be a invented story.

And I can't get a perm down the road anymore.

Boo to this kind of thing!

Long live secularism, in hairdressers as well as government!
Don't ya think Avon?

Depends.

Smaragdadler · 04-30-07, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I've just discovered that this turns out to be a British custom.

I've also just discovered something:
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=235&o=2065525

It all depends.

04-28-07, 08:30 AM	#1
U-533 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On my Boat Posts: 594 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why the scarf thingy? Has anyone noticed that all the female captives in Iran / Iraq are made to wear the scarf thing on their head? I think the only one who didn't have a pic of her conforming was the female who was captured when her supply truck was hit and the Media made it sound like she went "Arnold Schwarzenegger" and "G.I. Jane" on some ass over there...like she fought until she ran out of ammo and had killed several thousand of Iraq's solders paving the way for her rescue and insuring she would not be raped by the solders... Then come to find out she was hurt to bad to do anything Why the scarf thingy...and if we take a female terrorist captive does she get to wear one or should we force her not to??????

04-28-07, 09:02 AM	#3
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	mm, I suspect that when the UK or US have a female captive they do not allow her to wear the veil, wich is just as bad as forceing someone to wear ir. __________________

04-28-07, 09:07 AM	#4
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	It annoyed me, too. But on the other hand, I don't think it hurt her. If you're willing to accept/understand the other culture (I know a lot of people are not), you realize it should be accepted. If we captured a female soldier from a culture that doesnt were clothes, wouldn't we force her to dress and cover her nudeness? I am aware the analogy is an invitation for hilarity, but isn't that basically what this is about? __________________

04-29-07, 12:58 PM	#6
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I was no less bothered by the polyester suits. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

04-29-07, 01:24 PM	#7
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I've just discovered that this turns out to be a British custom. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

04-28-07, 08:32 AM	#2
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Its just an indicator of one groups refusal to accept differences. Well, elements of a group anyways.

04-29-07, 12:53 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I remember just prior to the first Gulf war, we had female members of the military deploy to Saudi Arabia. It was explained to them that while they were free not to wear the Hajab, they would create less cultural stress if they did. Some of our ladies choose to wear them, some refused. Looking back, it did not seem to make a difference either way. While some considered it a form of enforced sexism, others considered it a part of their culture. In Islam, it has its roots in both the Qur'an and the Hadith. It should be noted that other religions use headgear as symbols of their faith also

04-29-07, 07:26 PM	#8
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,448 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They are more stylish than orange jumpsuits and garbage bags

04-29-07, 10:41 PM	#9
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Even St Paul wrote that women should not enter the Christian worship services with their heads uncovered ... to this day women in the Catholic faith adhere to this scripture in mostly orthodox churches. As for the muslim faith I do not know, but I hear they have pretty harsh penalities for women who don't dress entirely in the black outfits that cover you from head to toe. __________________

04-29-07, 11:02 PM	#10
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Interestingly Iran is having a 'crack-down' on men and women wearing western clothes and make-up. Hair gel has become popular for young men in Iran, but now they are being arrested for it. One report claimed barbers had been told by the police not to serve anyone wearing a tie, but this proved to be a invented story. __________________