Book George J. Tenet

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

AL, give it up. It all was so often on display that I have stopped counting.

Au contraire. Your repeated accusations fly in the face of documented fact. Apparently you've stopped reading and listening, too.

[U-533]

Denial is spreading across the world...

I...I couldn't help it I have been waiting all morning to do this....
:rotfl:

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by U-533

Denial is spreading across the world...

Which will eventually lead to the agony of de feet.

Which anyone can tell you is the best arguement for a strong


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[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Which anyone can tell you is the best arguement for a strong


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Which can only be achieved through strategic

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[goldorak]

@ The Avon Lady :

You might want to read the Project for a New American Century, http://www.newamericancentury.org/.
And in particular the articles from the period 1997-2000 way before the 9-11 terrorist attacks on us soil.
The neocon doctrine is all laid out for you to read.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/ir...t2000-1997.htm

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by goldorak

@ The Avon Lady :

You might want to read the Project for a New American Century, http://www.newamericancentury.org/.
And in particular the articles from the period 1997-2000 way before the 9-11 terrorist attacks on us soil.
The neocon doctrine is all laid out for you to read.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/ir...t2000-1997.htm

If you wish to point out something that shows that something I said above is incorrect, then please do. Don't send me to a page with endless article links.

[Skybird]

Just some more "documented facts" (AL) as a reminder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020900689.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...902250_pf.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...iewed-homepage

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...459824,00.html

Here is where we play 'my sources are better than your sources'.

Is everything in print a fact? By that logic Skybird should be a very religious soul, which we know he isn't, because the Bible, Torah and many other religious writings have been printed millions of times.

[Heibges]

The Project for the New American Century is a think tank which comes up with new threats do justify increases in defense spending.

You wouldn't think they would allow so many cowards and draft dodgers on their principles list though?

For Tenet to have real credibility, he should have made this stink a lot earlier. Like before we invaded.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

The Project for the New American Century is a think tank which comes up with new threats do justify increases in defense spending.

You wouldn't think they would allow so many cowards and draft dodgers on their principles list though?

Please explain. :hmm:

EDIT:

For Tenet to have real credibility, he should have made this stink a lot earlier. Like before we invaded

Now, that I understand.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just some more "documented facts" (AL) as a reminder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020900689.html

And what was the CIA telling the adminstration at this same time? The article doesn't say.

What was everyone telling Clinton during his tenure. See the Clinton transcript above.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...902250_pf.html

Precisely. Look what this article says about the CIA.

And just what happens to be the topic of this thread?

And what intel organization did the subject of this thread run for way too long?

Connect the dots.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...iewed-homepage

In the article's own words:

"Many of the activities of the intelligence unit Feith headed are now well-known. But the release of the full inspector general's report provides more detail about how a group of Pentagon officials and on-loan intelligence analysts were able to shunt aside contradictory reports and convince top administration officials that they had powerful evidence of connections between Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda."

But wait a minute! You just said above that "intel was massively manipulated from politicians in order to fit their agenda" and here the article states just the opposite.

Hmmmm............................

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...459824,00.html

Here you bore me with the Libby trial? And what does this have to do with Tenet and this thread? And must I bother looking up the links showing what a liar Joe Wilson was to begin with?

And Der Spiegel thought this was the "trial of the year"? Desparation. This fizzzled out to the nothing that was predicted by so many who recognized it for the witch-hunt that it was. But that's another thread, if you really want to bother.

Thanks for the supporting links!

[OddjobXL]

You know that Clinton did genuinely work with the international community on his reaction to Iraq. There was no international outcry against it. There were no UN inspectors demanding more time before being forced out by the, not Iraqis, but Americans. Most importantly of all was that Clinton didn't get us into this goddamn mess.

Rhetoric is an important diplomatic tool as is military action. Balancing the two is a tricky act but it's far more of an act to pretend, in an obvious charade, that you're interested in peaceful resolutions, with force as a last resort, when in fact you've got an attack that's going to go forward no matter what happens. Coalition of the Willing? Is that what you end up with when no established world body is willing to go along with your unilateral actions? How did those mine-exploding monkeys from Morocco work out?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Comparing the two Presidents and their actual courses of action is disingenuous at best.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by OddjobXL

You know that Clinton did genuinely work with the international community on his reaction to Iraq. There was no international outcry against it. There were no UN inspectors demanding more time before being forced out by the, not Iraqis, but Americans. Most importantly of all was that Clinton didn't get us into this goddamn mess.

Read carefully my points above. I'm not arguing about this.

Rhetoric is an important diplomatic tool as is military action. Balancing the two is a tricky act but it's far more of an act to pretend, in an obvious charade, that you're interested in peaceful resolutions, with force as a last resort, when in fact you've got an attack that's going to go forward no matter what happens.

Yet to be proven. Just repeated ad infinitum.

Coalition of the Willing? Is that what you end up with when no established world body is willing to go along with your unilateral actions? How did those mine-exploding monkeys from Morocco work out?

Again, whether I agree or disagree with this specific point, that's not what's being discussed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Comparing the two Presidents and their actual courses of action is disingenuous at best.

As above.