SH3 Apt Tune

[Spytrx]

Originally Posted by Kaleun Cook

I don't want to offend anyone, just posting my opinion.

Brave etc. or not - these guys would help nazi germany to kill thousands of british, american and whatsoever nation's sailors for the "Endsieg". Of course young men were forced to serve in the military and maybe had little chance not to do it (although there are countless examples how people found their way around it) but still every sunken ship, every shot plane, every dead enemy soldier supported a system that created the industrial genocide.

Therefor I find any chorus of praise in this context very difficult if not indefensible.

So on that same note you must condemn the Russians for killing more of their own soldiers than the war did (besides from spreading suffering for many years after the war ended), the Americans for dropping two atomic bombs on civilians (the first one deliberately to see what effects it has), the British for their colonization policies (and subsequent slaughter of the Zulu's and many other nations, besides being the true inventors of the concentration camps) and deliberate bombing of civilian targets out of spite in the end, the Japanese for their cruelty to their PoW's -- shall I go on? Your bias view is very narrow minded (sorry, but there is a lack of tacktful words in my vocabulary) - go and learn about the war first before making such a statement (particularly what lead to the war in the first place). The German soldier never really had a choice in the matter. You might want to read up on the three o'clock call from the GeStaPo, indoctrination, Propaganda, and brain washing (particularly of youngsters in school). Of interest might also be to look into the life of a person under a tyrannic system (hell, America thinks they live in a democracy yet look what is happening there - and do all the Americans that voted for the government want to be associated with what is happening right now (which is nothing compared to the late 30's, but worth bearing in mind) and/or is that all down to blind patriotism (hmm, isn't that just another word for / description of how to see Germans in the third Reich)?

I find it very disturbing that people always assume that the little person on the street knew what was going on in the concentration camps mostly located in the East (not on German soil), took part in the decision making at the top level, had a say (or even a vote) on any matter that went on in the third Reich, and that every German was a Nazi! Quite the opposite was true.

If you can't seperate the honour that went on on the battlefield by the normal soldier (not the SS or other special units) and appreciate the feats that were achieved by a group of incredible brave men then you really shouldn't comment at all (sorry, but that is my opinion). Even the Allied military leaders had nicer things to say about their opponents... Never ever forget that history is written by the victor and that there is more to it than just a simple 'they were evil and that is what they did and so we went in and wiped the floor with their faces' - horrendous things went on on all sides and in all camps that are not talked about...

[P_Funk]

And so the opera continues.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

And so the opera continues.

I reckon we'd do well to stay out of this one matey

How did it get so serious?

Linkin' Park have a new CD out on may 15th (I'm trying to get this thread back on track-honest)

[HM.Medico]

Another good hunting song, as in tail end of hunting (line up, firing etc.) is strangely enough, the HALO theme...or at least the drum bits of it. Download it and give it a shot (If you own HALO that is...)

[P_Funk]

I like listening to Live Jimi Hendrix too. Line up one of his catastrophic end-of-song distortion feedback loops with the sinking of a ship and you got yourself some mighty powerful visuals.

Its like a sorta Vietnam war movie kinda feeling, but with much less of that malaise of senseless brutal human defeatism.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I like listening to Live Jimi Hendrix too. Line up one of his catastrophic end-of-song distortion feedback loops with the sinking of a ship and you got yourself some mighty powerful visuals.

Its like a sorta Vietnam war movie kinda feeling, but with much less of that malaise of senseless brutal human defeatism.

I hear you. I'ma big Jimi Hendrix fan too. Also like the Stone Roses, Beatles,Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Any thing loud and metal really, love the blues.

All of which I listen to when I'm sinking ships

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I hear you. I'ma big Jimi Hendrix fan too. Also like the Stone Roses, Beatles,Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Any thing loud and metal really, love the blues.

All of which I listen to when I'm sinking ships

i prefer the DAS BOOT theme

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Originally Posted by Spytrx

So on that same note you must condemn the Russians for killing more of their own soldiers than the war did (besides from spreading suffering for many years after the war ended), the Americans for dropping two atomic bombs on civilians (the first one deliberately to see what effects it has), the British for their colonization policies (and subsequent slaughter of the Zulu's and many other nations, besides being the true inventors of the concentration camps) and deliberate bombing of civilian targets out of spite in the end, the Japanese for their cruelty to their PoW's -- shall I go on? Your bias view is very narrow minded (sorry, but there is a lack of tacktful words in my vocabulary) - go and learn about the war first before making such a statement (particularly what lead to the war in the first place). The German soldier never really had a choice in the matter. You might want to read up on the three o'clock call from the GeStaPo, indoctrination, Propaganda, and brain washing (particularly of youngsters in school). Of interest might also be to look into the life of a person under a tyrannic system (hell, America thinks they live in a democracy yet look what is happening there - and do all the Americans that voted for the government want to be associated with what is happening right now (which is nothing compared to the late 30's, but worth bearing in mind) and/or is that all down to blind patriotism (hmm, isn't that just another word for / description of how to see Germans in the third Reich)?

I find it very disturbing that people always assume that the little person on the street knew what was going on in the concentration camps mostly located in the East (not on German soil), took part in the decision making at the top level, had a say (or even a vote) on any matter that went on in the third Reich, and that every German was a Nazi! Quite the opposite was true.

If you can't seperate the honour that went on on the battlefield by the normal soldier (not the SS or other special units) and appreciate the feats that were achieved by a group of incredible brave men then you really shouldn't comment at all (sorry, but that is my opinion). Even the Allied military leaders had nicer things to say about their opponents... Never ever forget that history is written by the victor and that there is more to it than just a simple 'they were evil and that is what they did and so we went in and wiped the floor with their faces' - horrendous things went on on all sides and in all camps that are not talked about...

i know what was going on...
but if you look at the present time i am glad the war is over and land co-orporate.
the germans shared theyr technologie (like the jet engines) and joined the european union.
most firefighters also copyed the german helmets becose they protect more than the other WW2 helmets.
the german super sub (who could have changed the war) is the base of the modern subs.

everyone knows the V-2 rocket right. it was made by a DUTCH professor who's dream came tru in america. he always wanted to lounch a rocket into space. and hell he did.


you could go on about whats good or bad about the war. but also about after the war.

unfortunatly i liked to fight in WW2 (but the dream will never come tru. unless there is a time machine)