'Many' muslims moving back to ME

[jumpy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6585411.stm

not sure what to make of this one...

initial reaction: 'don't let the door hit you on the way out'.

However, I suspect it's a little more complicated than that. I guess it shows more loyalty to their religion than the country of their birth, which housed them, educated them etc. The cynic in me says 'tell me something I didn't know'.

Again I'm drawn to the idea that 'they' need to combat the negative view of Islam in the UK with the help of those who are willing to support them. Standing up for their rights (lol when has that ever been a non issue for Islam here?) ought to be something to fight for in a country like the UK. Sure there's a bad view of the religion right now, all the more reason for those who don't subscribe to extremism and just want to get along with their lives here to stand up and be counted, vociferously and unflinchingly. Moving out and giving up seems like a cop-out to me.

on the other hand http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6569579.stm this guy seems to have a handle on the whole business-

If there is any chance of challenging the violent "jihadi" ideology of the world's Osama bin Ladens, then it may lie in this critical reasoning and renaissance of ideas, says Ahmad.
"Take the Islamic beard issue," he says. "The Prophet Mohammed had a beard. So people say you must have a beard to be a good Muslim. But he didn't have a mobile phone, did he? He didn't drive either. So should we use one or not? These people who are trying to tell us what is or what is not Islamic are putting their intellect on hold. There is more than one way to be a Muslim."
Differences, he argues, are not always as they appear when we are living with exaggeration and fear.

Perhaps with those who deem the best choice to leave this country are doing so not out of a sense of persecution -

"Living here is not how it was. The politics and the environment has changed and people's perception of Muslims has changed dramatically. A number of incidents in UK over past 3-4 years have marred life for decent Muslims living here."

"You feel you are having to constantly prove that you're not what other people think you are. You always have to be on your guard."

- but due to an unwillingness to confront the real causes of the discontent with what many British people perceive to be the core of Islamic fundamentalism. It's easier to point fingers and say 'we're not the problem, the way you see us is' and leave than to take action to avoid this apparent tacit approval of extremism.
If I'm entirely honest in my opinion of this then I have to say it is somewhat ungrateful of them to desert their country when it needs bright, educated and moral individuals to help smooth out the creases in our towns and cities' communities.

In a sense I can understand the feelings of these people, but their attitude in this case is definitely wrong footed. I'm sure that there are some here in the UK who will see this as a sort of admission of guilt.
Either way, it does nothing to help resolve the issues regarding Muslims and extremism in the UK and the way these things are viewed, if anything it is detrimental to the very people who are effected most; a sort of vicious circle, if you see what I mean. These 'middle-class' Muslims are surely in one of the best positions to champion the success of their homeland (the UK) and the ability to communicate their Britishness to those who still need convincing should not be underestimated.

For Mrs al-Sibassi it's a difficult choice.
"That has come to my mind - discussing with like-minded friends of mine who are female and wear the hijab. Again and again, the same issue comes up, that you need to stay and fight."
But she knows her children must come first, and for her, that means a plane to the Emirates.

Everyone has their own prerogative, but running away will not serve to help anyone but themselves...
But isn't that the way with most people now? So in a sense maybe they are truly integrated now already

As usual, after some considered thought during a quieter moment in the office, I am left with more questions than answers.

[The Avon Lady]

Last one out, please turn off the lights. Thank you.

[Hitman]

There are also probably more reasons involved. You can't ignore the spectacular economic growth of the ME and oil-producing regions since the oil price skyrocketed, so those countries begin to look attractive for muslims, as the islam is official religion there. I bet if they were still poor, undeveloped countries, no muslims of britain would be interested in going there. Of course, probably that's the best policy to prevent any inmigration, i.e. ensuring the development of their origin countries:hmm:

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by Hitman

There are also probably more reasons involved. You can't ignore the spectacular economic growth of the ME and oil-producing regions since the oil price skyrocketed, so those countries begin to look attractive for muslims, as the islam is official religion there. I bet if they were still poor, undeveloped countries, no muslims of britain would be interested in going there. Of course, probably that's the best policy to prevent any inmigration, i.e. ensuring the development of their origin countries:hmm:

Perhaps...but remember, once the oil runs out or stops powering the West, its back to the stone age for most of the ME (at least the Arab nations that rely solely on oil)...not an attractive thought for many, especially as its only about 50 years down the line.

[Skybird]

"Let's find a quite little place and listen for a while", just to be sure they are really going (which I doubt is representative for Europe).

If they really would get back home voluntarily without any laws, treaties, bribaries, not to mention violance needed - the better for them, for us, for all.

But I doubt this news snippet is representative for a wide-ranged and long-termed trend.

Anyway, I certainly don't hold anyone back if he wants to go back to his Islamic home in the ME. A peaceful re-separation of both the West and the Islamic sphere was always what I considered to be most unlikely solution, but to be the most desirable solution nevertheless.

[bradclark1]

What they can't seem to understand is that if the good spoke out about the bad peoples perceptions could change. However the good might be targeted by the bad for speaking out and thats a very real possibility. So what do you do? You help them out the door.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Britain - Europe's cheapest Bed and Breakfast.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Britain - Europe's cheapest Bed and Breakfast.

I must use that one at the next general election when Labour knock on my door.

[SUBMAN1]

My reaction is - cya. Have a nice life (WHich I doubt when confronted with Shia law - or whatever they call it)

-S

[Camaero]

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

[U-533]

I have some Ham sandwiches I can pack them for thier trip................................

[TteFAboB]

A while ago there was a debate at the CBC sparked by Dinesh D’Souza which among other things proposed that we ally with the "good Muslims" against the Jihadi, Islamist and radical Islamists and start backing them up and helping them take the helm of Islam.

I shared the same conviction for a long time and the only drawback of such alliance is working out the problem of reciprocity. Anyway, I decided to start looking for our allies to be.

To my dissapointment, I found out that there was no one to ally with at all because they had already submitted to their Jihadi brethren. I found a defeated, passive (pacified), coward bunch of people that would not stand up for anything. They're lucky the wind isn't that strong in Britain or the snow too heavy.

[Skybird]

There are no different Islams. There is only one Islam: Muhammad's Islam. This is the basis on which all "different traditions" of Islam are founding upon. Be Islamic in the way Muhammad wanted it to be, and you are true Islamic. Reject some of his demands and regulations, and you are not Islmaic, but free to be killed if not obeying. Being sunni or shia is no issue here.

That'S what many Islamic people living in the West do not want to realise when embracing some of the Western rights and liberties, at the cost of some of the old Muhammedan practices. Muhammad did not know "some yes, some no." He only knew "all or nothing at all".

Tolerance was not really a shining characteristic of this man.

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Skybird

There are no different Islams. There is only one Islam: Muhammad's Islam. This is the basis on which all "different traditions" of Islam are founding upon. Be Islamic in the way Muhammad wanted it to be, and you are true Islamic. Reject some of his demands and regulations, and you are not Islmaic, but free to be killed if not obeying. Being sunni or shia is no issue here.

That'S what many Islamic people living in the West do not want to realise when embracing some of the Western rights and liberties, at the cost of some of the old Muhammedan practices. Muhammad did not know "some yes, some no." He only knew "all or nothing at all".

Tolerance was not really a shining characteristic of this man.

So you agree they will never be ""Politically Correct"".

And if they are then they are not true Islamics but are liars...
I think they promote lying to Infidels in oder to kill Infidels.

[wireman]

Good for them...