Lethal Injection for Execution: Chemical Asphyxiation?

[SUBMAN1]

Deterrence is not flawed logic. It very well could have influenced your hell thread earlier in that the perpetrators thought their may be consequences for their actions. Right now, they know if they get caught, not much will happen to them. If the threat of the chair exists, maybe they would have changed their minds.

And you wonder why we have crimes like this today in society. All the positive crap the phych guys dish out is garbage.

-S

PS. The thought of death is a much worse thing in my mind than worry about sitting in jail for the rest of my life. No one can ever tell me any different. Its a natural instinct to want to do everything possible to avoid it. I can can guarantee that they think the same way.

[Tchocky]

This deterrent effect doesnt seem to be there click

Topic : If chem injection is as nasty as it seems, then there should be an alternative. If you're already going to kill the guy, at least let him go out quiet. I was under the impression that criminal justice wasn't about causing physical pain to the guilty. That should hold up even under capital punishment

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

This deterrent effect doesnt seem to be there click

Topic : If chem injection is as nasty as it seems, then there should be an alternative. If you're already going to kill the guy, at least let him go out quiet. I was under the impression that criminal justice wasn't about causing physical pain to the guilty. That should hold up even under capital punishment

Oh but it is! As it should be. My one big gripe - every last bit of evidence up until the day of execution must be looked at by the courts to help avoid a mistake. DNA evidence for example. I hate the idea of excuting an innocent man, but thing its a very good idea to execute someone who commited a horrendous crime.

-S

[Tchocky]

Any backup for that? The deterrent effect, that is.

In keeping with Skybirds request not to debate the efficacy/moral standing of the death penalty, I will avoid it, and state;

If lethal injection is not working, hanging, firing squad, or my favorite the guillotine.
All tried and true methods.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Any backup for that? The deterrent effect, that is.

Try your own mind for starters! Google the rest. It is not rocket science.

-S

[Tchocky]

I understand the intuition; I will not kill someone because I will be killed for it, etc. But I've found that the idea of deterrence isn't borne out in fact. Reports and statistical analysis from criminologists show that there is no discernible deterrent effect, and many of the studies that did show one used flawed methods. This is all in the link I posted.
not rocket science at all :hmm:

[Skybird]

The deterring effect of death sentences is questionable and debated until today. Statistically, most crimes with killings happen to be killings "im Affekt" (= in the heat of the moment), as a result of situational variables that are not calculated in advance, and are not preplanned. The deterring effect of executions concerning other potential perpetrators also is highly quetionable, the quick look I had at Google, indicates that even US crime statistics do not indicate a correlation between falling capital crime rates, and death penalty. If anything, it indicates exactly the opposite: that states with death penalty even have a higher capital crime rate by tendency. Finally, death penalty can even motivate additonal killings - to get rid of witnesses, for example. The increasing brutalizing effect even is pointed out in concerned socio-psychological literature.

But all that is not the thread's focus, as I said in the opening. It is about the possible cruelty of a special way of killing a person that is to be executed, and that by ruling of the 8th amendement, "cruel punishment" is illegal in the US.

[Tchocky]

Skybird, posting your opinion in such terms, then saying "lets ignore that", sounds to me like "the dog ate my homework".
Looks like you want it both ways here, one opinion, then no more.

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Any backup for that? The deterrent effect, that is.

Well, obviously the criminal will not be able to repeat the crime...

[Heibges]

Isn't the United States the only Western Country that has the death penalty?

Is the death penalty a deterrant?

I don't want the right to take a life in the hands of the government. I don't think they should even be able to levy an income tax, much less execute folks.

The death penalty is not compatible with a Christian Society. Jesus pretty much lays it all out for us.

Originally Posted by Heibges

Isn't the United States the only Western Country that has the death penalty?

Is the death penalty a deterrant?

I don't want the right to take a life in the hands of the government. I don't think they should even be able to levy an income tax, much less execute folks.

The death penalty is not compatible with a Christian Society. Jesus pretty much lays it all out for us.

For the record the death penalty is not placed in the hands of the government.
All death penalty verdicts are passed by a jury, which are made up of citizens which are not government officials.

EDIT: here in Colorado a law was passed which assigned judges for death penalty cases to make the decission as to weather or not to execute the convicted. SOCTUS struck down the law as unconstitutional. If I can find anything on it I'll post it.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Heibges

The death penalty is not compatible with a Christian Society. Jesus pretty much lays it all out for us.

Quite the contrary in my opinion.

-S

[Tieg]

or my favorite the guillotine

To me that would seem to be the quickest way to end ones life as a result of choices he or she made...

This following quote comes from this CNN article which is probably where this discussion started from:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/23....ap/index.html

Steve Stewart, prosecuting attorney in Clark County, Indiana, where an execution is scheduled for May 4, said the simple solution seemed to be to give a higher dose of the anesthetic, which probably would not satisfy opponents who see all methods as barbaric.
"It doesn't matter a whole lot to me that someone may have felt some pain before they were administered poison as a method of execution," he said.

That last sentence pretty much sums it up. Who cares...me personally I think they should air executions on Pay Per View so that way if those that want to see them can by paying for it and those who don't want to see them have the option not to see them. Also the money the goverment makes they can apply to some program that maybe could reduce our taxes of some sort or another...or at least for some good. Like maybe a nice sharpening stone for the guillotine.

[gnirtS]

If thiopental and potassium chloride fail to cause anesthesia and cardiac arrest, potentially aware inmates could die through pancuronium-induced asphyxiation. Thus the conventional view of lethal injection leading to an invariably peaceful and painless death is questionable.

And this is a problem how exactly ?

Doubt the people getting it extended the same courtesy to their victims. These people shouldn't be ENTITLED to a peaceful, painless death.