ATI or NVIDIA? - Page 3

Redwine · 04-23-07, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antrodemus

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Originally Posted by Redwine

ATI are really bad quality cards.

What utter BS...

Not BS... my first one was curved as a banano, and make not good contact, i back it to store, my second one cant run at default core and memory frecuencies without glitches/artifacts, i was enforced to Under-Clock it...

Just ask a game developer, ask in this forum to "homesubsim" developers wich "tip" van gives you about wich trademark to buy...

Herr Karl · 04-23-07, 04:22 PM

I had an ATI card with SH3. I had some support problems, such as drivers also. I'm putting together a gaming laptop at this time, so everyones input is really appreciated.

The...AMD goes with ATI and The...Intel™ goes with Nvidia theory could be true, since AMD now owns ATI. Applying this theory would probably help avoid a lot of compatibility issues.

Anyways, what do I know?

Good to see you all....

Antrodemus · 04-23-07, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwine

Not BS...

You said "ATI are really bad quality cards", which is simply untrue. Maybe you got a bad one (or more), but that doesn't automatically mean that every card is.

SUBMAN1 · 04-23-07, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by melb00m

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Originally Posted by flintlock

Either manufacturer is fine, though I prefer ATI. I especially appreciate ATI's video drivers; rock solid and stable without being too unnecessarily bloated. A regular release schedule is most welcomed too. Holding out for a new R600 based part myself.

I would say the exact opposite. There are reasons why so many people with ATI cards use Omega drivers.
I tried ATI twice, and both times I returned the card after a couple days. Had endless VPU recovers and errors.

Now I am back with NVidia, and will stay with them. They certainly have better driver support (especially if you´re also running Linux, which I do), and also pay more money to developers to make their games "NVidia recommended"

Omega drivers used to be better when the ATI control panel applet ate 400 MB of memory, but that was years ago. Now it is 2 MB. The people that still use Omega are die hards I guess. I don't care personally.

-S

Redwine · 04-23-07, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antrodemus

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Originally Posted by Redwine

Not BS...

You said "ATI are really bad quality cards", which is simply untrue. Maybe you got a bad one (or more), but that doesn't automatically mean that every card is.

Read above, dont listen to me, i only speak "BS", just ask game developers.... and you will be surprised.

NEON DEON · 04-23-07, 10:04 PM

I guess it all depends on what you need at the time you purchase.

My Saphire Radeon 9600 XT is in its fourth year.

I bought it because it was Direct x 9 compat and came with 256 mb ddr video ram. It also did not require a lot of juice to run.

My amd 2400+ was not going to set any speed records so I settled for a middle of the road graphics card.

Now here I am playing games some 4 years later with no problems at all.

I don't know about what developers say when it comes to graphics cards.

What I do know, however, is My ATI card has ran every game I have bought in the last 4 years without a problem.

Of course that might have something to do with a quality power supply and enough fan cooling to turn my rig into a hover craft.

TriskettheKid · 04-23-07, 11:23 PM

nVidia.

No question about it.

doggydoggo · 04-23-07, 11:28 PM

I've been a die hard ATI fan since I owned my first PC. I'm ready to switch to the Dark Side.

I upgraded my card to an ATI 9800 specifically for SH4, and the trouble I had to even get the card and it's drivers working properly was a living nightmare. Fortunately, I stumbled across some wonderful folks who adapted ATI's current drivers with the original Catalyst software. Worked like a charm! Then I had to struggle with getting the game to run and changing some settings. It was more work than it should have been, so my next rig is gonna try Nvidia. When you charge a couple hundred bucks for a bloody video card, I expect it to work... at least within 30 minutes! :rotfl:

NEON DEON · 04-24-07, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by doggydoggo

I've been a die hard ATI fan since I owned my first PC. I'm ready to switch to the Dark Side.

I upgraded my card to an ATI 9800 specifically for SH4, and the trouble I had to even get the card and it's drivers working properly was a living nightmare. Fortunately, I stumbled across some wonderful folks who adapted ATI's current drivers with the original Catalyst software. Worked like a charm! Then I had to struggle with getting the game to run and changing some settings. It was more work than it should have been, so my next rig is gonna try Nvidia. When you charge a couple hundred bucks for a bloody video card, I expect it to work... at least within 30 minutes! :rotfl:

I am a bit confused.

You bought 4 year old technology and put brand new drivers on it?

codeseven · 04-24-07, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt.LoneRanger

The image quality on 8xxx-nVidia-cards is slightly higher than with previous nVidias. My OCed 7800GT runs SH4 nicely, but depending on drivers self-shadowing and lighting looks pretty ugly (81.20 are the latest drivers, that support self-shadowing over larger distances. Pretty nicely shown especially in LOMAC.)

Are you saying the 81.20 is the driver I should use with my 7800gtx?

Antrodemus · 04-24-07, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Redwine

Read above, dont listen to me, i only speak "BS", just ask game developers.... and you will be surprised.

Why don't you quote me some "game developers" who agree that "ATI are really bad quality cards", then I'll start to pay attention?

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Originally Posted by doggodoggo

Then I had to struggle with getting the game to run and changing some settings. It was more work than it should have been, so my next rig is gonna try Nvidia. When you charge a couple hundred bucks for a bloody video card, I expect it to work... at least within 30 minutes!

Err... you paid "a couple of hundred bucks" for a 9800?!? How much did you pay for this card exactly, and from where? ...and BTW, you should not be even remotely surprised at having to tweak the game to get good performance, the 9800 is two notches up form the bare minimum that the game needs to run.

vasmann · 04-24-07, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

I guess it all depends on what you need at the time you purchase.

My Saphire Radeon 9600 XT is in its fourth year.

I bought it because it was Direct x 9 compat and came with 256 mb ddr video ram. It also did not require a lot of juice to run.

My amd 2400+ was not going to set any speed records so I settled for a middle of the road graphics card.

Now here I am playing games some 4 years later with no problems at all.

I don't know about what developers say when it comes to graphics cards.

What I do know, however, is My ATI card has ran every game I have bought in the last 4 years without a problem.

Of course that might have something to do with a quality power supply and enough fan cooling to turn my rig into a hover craft.

I have same config, mmm processor is AMD Athlon XP 2200+ and has no complains at all. But I think to buy new one (computer).

Steeltrap · 04-24-07, 07:54 AM

My old rig was pentium with nVidia.

New is an FX-62 AMD dual core with a X 1950 XTX 512Mb DDR4 graphics card, and it cranks through anything.

You tend to get what you pay for.

AVGWarhawk · 04-24-07, 07:59 AM

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In my experience -currently using ATI X800PRO 256MB- ATI is a bit like the AMD processors, more temperamental but with more performance and cheaper price. NVidia cards I had in the past were rock-stable and performed well, but I believe ATI has a slightly advantage in performance for the money. I have not had problems with my current card, plugged in a Pentium 4, but I had two AMDs some time ago that were a true nightmare, and I'm not sure if I will ever return to them. So yes, it's a matter of personal experience as hardware combinations are almost infinite nowadays. My 2 cents for you on this topic is: Don't buy a system were more than one part has a tendency to be inestable, i.e. don't combine ATI and AMD together unless you are sure that the exact system you are going to have works well for other guys. A Pentium/NVidia combination will in turn be probably the most stable setup possible, at the expense of performance & quality, that is

Thanks Hitman! - You saved my beauty sleep. I have just bought an Ati1300Pro 512mb to my Intel-system...

I also purchased the Visionteck ATI x1300 XGE 512mb. I love the card. I have always been a Nvidia fan but my taste has changed with this ATI card. It runs this game very well and I'm pleased with the purchase. I also like the catalyst interface. It is very easy to understand and work with when tweeking the card. However, this ATI card is running with an AMD 3200+ and is very stable.

doggydoggo · 04-24-07, 08:44 AM

I only paid $50 for my 9800. My point was that decent video cards these days can be $150 to $200. If I spent that much cash on a card, I would want it to be stable and work properly.

Secondly, I understand that game settings need to be altered for performance from time to time, but when you have to go into system setings and dumb everything down just for the thing to be stable, that I have a problem with.

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

You bought 4 year old technology and put brand new drivers on it?

Maybe I mispoke. I'm using the latest drivers for this particular card, which have been modified to be more stable.

I have been reading however that some folks have been using Omega drivers. I have not heard of this before. Maybe I'll try those and see if it fixes a few isues I have been having. My crew does not seem to understand that when rigged for red, one is supposed to be bathed in the warm red glow.

04-23-07, 04:22 PM	#32
Herr Karl Medic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle,WA/Dutch Harbor,AK Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I had an ATI card with SH3. I had some support problems, such as drivers also. I'm putting together a gaming laptop at this time, so everyones input is really appreciated. The...AMD goes with ATI and The...Intel™ goes with Nvidia theory could be true, since AMD now owns ATI. Applying this theory would probably help avoid a lot of compatibility issues. Anyways, what do I know? Good to see you all.... __________________ Gato

04-23-07, 10:04 PM	#36
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	I guess it all depends on what you need at the time you purchase. My Saphire Radeon 9600 XT is in its fourth year. I bought it because it was Direct x 9 compat and came with 256 mb ddr video ram. It also did not require a lot of juice to run. My amd 2400+ was not going to set any speed records so I settled for a middle of the road graphics card. Now here I am playing games some 4 years later with no problems at all. I don't know about what developers say when it comes to graphics cards. What I do know, however, is My ATI card has ran every game I have bought in the last 4 years without a problem. Of course that might have something to do with a quality power supply and enough fan cooling to turn my rig into a hover craft. __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

04-23-07, 11:23 PM	#37
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	nVidia. No question about it.

04-23-07, 11:28 PM	#38
doggydoggo Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've been a die hard ATI fan since I owned my first PC. I'm ready to switch to the Dark Side. I upgraded my card to an ATI 9800 specifically for SH4, and the trouble I had to even get the card and it's drivers working properly was a living nightmare. Fortunately, I stumbled across some wonderful folks who adapted ATI's current drivers with the original Catalyst software. Worked like a charm! Then I had to struggle with getting the game to run and changing some settings. It was more work than it should have been, so my next rig is gonna try Nvidia. When you charge a couple hundred bucks for a bloody video card, I expect it to work... at least within 30 minutes! :rotfl:

04-24-07, 07:54 AM	#43
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	My old rig was pentium with nVidia. New is an FX-62 AMD dual core with a X 1950 XTX 512Mb DDR4 graphics card, and it cranks through anything. You tend to get what you pay for.