SH4 just plain unappealing!

[John Channing]

If you can't play the game then there is something wrong with your set-up. I have been playing it continuously since it was released and to say that you can't play it is hyperbole, nothing less.

JCC

[CCIP]

Naturally also, you won't get much play value out of it when the game's protection system intentionally breaks game mechanics if you use a pirated version :hmm:

[THE_MASK]

Its hard to take you seriously with an avatar like that .

[TheBrauerHour]

I like SH4. Is there something wrong with me?

My biggest problem is I need a good American Sub movie to watch before playing. I always watch Das Boot to get hyped up to shoot some torpedoes, but it makes me want to re-install SH3!!!

[bonz]

I thought SHIII was half-assed but SHIV tops it. This game is a mess. Pretty, but who cares.
I'm on my third mission to drop off an agent. Haven't gotten an order to escort the agent into the Ginza, but it wouldn't surprise me. My flak gunner is the highest scoring ace in the Pacific Theater with 20 air kills. Don't even bother to dive anymore as all I have to do is accelerate time and I'll draw zeros 1000 nm from land. They carry large belly tanks you understand.....

I upgraded to a forward deck gun. It's there, I can see it....but I'm the only one who can use it because my management board shows a forward and aft deck gun with no slots for crew members.

What's radar? I see it spinning out there but visual rules are in effect.
I surface and expect the exec to handle the transition to normal propulsion rather than batteries. He's off having breakfast so it never happens.

So, the crew is useless...except for my ace. I handle everything else on the boat

Originally Posted by John Channing

If you can't play the game then there is something wrong with your set-up. I have been playing it continuously since it was released and to say that you can't play it is hyperbole, nothing less.

JCC

No hard feelings mate but everything okay with my setup. I saw some topics when people, gamers like me camplaine about the same problems as i do in the game. Sorry about my previes post i ` am little rush that all and again i apologise for my bad English is still not perfect

[GT182]

Originally Posted by DragonRR1

Clearly UBI have forced the devs to finish off for the release date but UBI themselves have pressure from shareholders, marketing and distribution to release products at a certain price point and within certain timescales. Unfortunately SH4 has suffered as a result.

Yeah and I hope most of those shareholders bought SH3 and 4 so they can see what was pushed out the door. They should be ashamed... period. Shareholders only get money when they sell stocks, and they shouldn't be a part of the "forcing it on you before it's done correctly" process. Marketing, distribution and release dates not withshtanding, should only be based on when it's a done deal that the games are not some beta production for the public to test.

Shareholders for Ford, GM, Chrysler and the rest don't force unassembled unfinished cars out on the dealers lots for us to buy. Ubi should be held to the same standards by their shareholders... and the FTC.

So the shareholder idea for blame is a bunch of horse hockey.

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by benetofski

Well, for starters, I tell you IMHO it doesnt appear to compare to SH3 (in both graphics and game play)

I'm glad you made this thread, because I didn't have to start a new one.

Up 'til now, I've been running mostly stock. I modified the aircraft probability to knock down on air attacks (still get 3-12 per patrol), and the "green lamp" mod. So, I just finished up Stalker and got back onto SH4. Loaded v1.2, and a bunch of mods:

-60m water visibility
-Beery's free-camera
-De-saturated colored torpedoes
-Depth mod
-Battery mod
-Default torp loadouts (plenty of renown, too much mark-23 dragging)
-Keyboard mod (weather reports, DBK, attack map on F6)
-Torpedo wake
-A few other things...

Wow. What a difference!
The graphics are still great but the underwater shots are phenomenal. Really made a functional improvement to the game with respect to the controls.

However, I will agree with the original poster that the SH3 patrol music is superior. Some of the attack music (stalker? hunter? tension?) is good, but for just cruising the world map, SH3 wins the gold. Could be that Eastern Europeans just know what the heck goes well with u-boats -- although I'm not entirely certain I would call it "traditional German music". Certainly has a slight European accent to it.

Anyway, eeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvorbody over to the SH4 mods thread.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GT182

Yeah and I hope most of those shareholders bought SH3 and 4 so they can see what was pushed out the door. They should be ashamed... period. Shareholders only get money when they sell stocks, and they shouldn't be a part of the "forcing it on you before it's done correctly" process. Marketing, distribution and release dates not withshtanding, should only be based on when it's a done deal that the games are not some beta production for the public to test.

Shareholders for Ford, GM, Chrysler and the rest don't force unassembled unfinished cars out on the dealers lots for us to buy. Ubi should be held to the same standards by their shareholders... and the FTC.

So the shareholder idea for blame is a bunch of horse hockey.

A company issues shares of stock. The shareholders who own this stock are paid dividends. Dividends come from the profits of the company. A game that's rushed out the door so it looks good on the quarterly report makes for profits, which means bigger dividends for the shareholders.

[GT182]

Yeah and when shareholders finally find out what they did in "pushing it out" they'll kick their own butts hopefully. I've been a shareholder and I never was a part of what they're doing for Ub. Once they see sales fall off because SH4 isn't all it's cracked up to be, then they'll just love the falling stock prices for Ubi. No one to blame but themselves... IF and only IF they did the "pushing". Which I don't for one minute think they did. Shareholdrs aren't the same idiots as the corporate ones are. Corporate pushes to make money for themselves, Shareholders ride the wave and share the profit. And when the waves fizzle out, then they make bigger waves to cancel out the corporate's f*%#ups.

[John Channing]

Let's keep things in perspective here.

Ubisoft is a billion dollar a year company. If you think a few pissed off rivet counters on Subsim.com are going to affect their share prices...

They sell more copies of whatever crap Tom Clancy is putting his name on before breakfast than they will of Silent Hunter 4 in the next 10 years.

And as to your car company anaolgy... clearly you haven't bought the first model year of any product by any of the companies you named (or any other car company for that matter).

JCC

[SinisterDexter]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Let's keep things in perspective here.

They sell more copies of whatever crap Tom Clancy is putting his name on before breakfast than they will of Silent Hunter 4 in the next 10 years.

JCC

And the PC port of Splinter Cell: Double Agent was about as broken and buggy as SH4. I think it got one patch but, was still a dissapointing waste of time.

Fortunately, SH4 has a good mod community and Ubisoft seems willing to support at least a couple of patches from the dev team.

[Fearless]

I always have to laugh how cars are compared to pc games.:rotfl:

People, we are talking about software here... Not hardware. One could say that a polution emissions computer processor in a Ford wouldn't work in a Chrysler because of a different setup and they are 'different'.

So to get back to the point, EVERY COMPUTER has different setups and that's why the pc game may not work properly on one system than on another. So stop comparing apples with tree stumps unless they are the same (Last time I looked they weren't!!!)

[U-Bones]

180 off there.
disappointing perhaps, but only because it -is- so appealing.

[Ragtag]

The big point is that games are being pushed out way to early and i'm not talkin about SH4 alone. This is starting to be a bad habit for games distributors. I'm working as a editor at a Norwegian games magazine and games are, unfortunatley, being released earlier and earlier and i see this more and more often and it get's worse. Several big titles lately has been released in a very poor state, Stalker is definatly one of them and if you take a peak in the Stalker forums you will find screams for a patch. Yes, developers are fixing things in patches but releasing a game they KNOW is full of bugs and more or less unfinished, is just not acceptable. I want to play games as they are intended to be played. Mods are fun and great but it's not the gamers job to make a game playable.We pay for a product, some hardcore gamers buy 2-4 games each month, and they do expect to get a game that IS FINISHED. So do i. I don't want to read forums, search through tons of mods just to have a game in a playable state.When i buy a game i want to play it. Not wait a month or 4 to have it fixed and then play it. I really don't like the "rush out, fix some later and forget" policy some of the big companies has started to use. I wonder what would happen if every gamer waited a month or two before buying.